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Lincoln cent 1976 PROOF S over reversed S

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Hello Forum,

I spotted an oddity on a Proof Lincoln Cent 1976. I zoomed in on the
s-mintmark and I discovered what I believe is another, but reversed,
s-mintmark. When I looked it up on Coppercoins and Variety Vista. There
was no such variety or error in their listings... Maybe you can help me?
Tanx!

Greetings from Holland, from Eva.
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Re: Lincoln cent 1976 PROOF S over reversed S

#2 Unread post by SensibleSal66 »

Hello Eva! This is what shows up on the Pics., okay? I see a "scratch" or something going through the "S" on the fourth picture. :think:
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Re: Lincoln cent 1976 PROOF S over reversed S

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Well Sal, that is absolutely not the case.
There is a clear 'something' underneath the upper (last) S.
So, no scratch.

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Appears to be some type of minor inconsequential interior deterioration.......JMO
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I agree, sorry, but this is not a reversed RPM.
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Paul wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 11:44 am Appears to be some type of minor inconsequential interior deterioration.......JMO
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Appears to be some type of minor inconsequential interior deterioration??

I think the most of RPM's appear to be minor and inconsequential, but that is the
sport, right?!
How come thy art so sure about that? I think I can learn a lot of the answer to that question.

TANX a lot! Eva.

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This isn't an RPM.

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This isn't an RPM.

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excoin wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 7:18 pm Appears to be some type of minor inconsequential interior deterioration??

I think the most of RPM's appear to be minor and inconsequential, but that is the
sport, right?!
How come thy art so sure about that? I think I can learn a lot of the answer to that question.

TANX a lot! Eva.
Die deterioration is a completely different thing than a re-punched mint mark. A deteriorated die is the metals of the die chipping away due to it striking coins, and a re-punched mint mark is the die being punched multiple times with the mint mark punch.
Unfortunately your coin here appears to be the first one, die deterioration, not a RPM. Hopefully this helps you understand this in some way. :)
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#11 Unread post by excoin »

Well, forum!

I wasn't satisfied with the answers an finally I found the only answer

http://lincolncentresource.com/San_Fran ... tyles.html

This fat mintmark is named MMS-009 and is used ONLY on Proofs from
1975 - 1979
I am happy now!

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I have to admit, I am a bit confused about this one. I know Paul is way over my pay grade on coins, so I am aksing for help in understanding what I found when looking into this:

That lincolncentresource.com website says from 1952 to 1974, the San Francisco mint used the Tall S on their cents (MM-008), so in 1970-S the Tall S was used and should be what is on Eva's coin.:
San_Fransisco_Mintmark_Styles_1952-1974_Tall_S.jpg
The site has the Tall S and Blob S (mm-009) both pictured under their 1974-S cent listing b/c both mm-008 and MM-009 were used that year.

Then I combined the pics from the website and the pics Eva posted:

That pic of the Tall S from the website looks very different from what is on Eva's coin. And the MM on her coin seems to have the same features as the Blob S:
1970-S_cent_MM008-009.jpg
I also note the Tall S has the loops of the S open (and ant could crawl inside). But eh Blob S is "closed" and the opening is raised up off of the surface (the ant would need to step up and then squeeze inside).

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From what I understand, is going on is that Eva found on The Lincoln Cen Resource that the coin she has is referred as an MMS-009. For 1974 both the Proof and business strikes had the MMS-009. Next, the 1975-1979. Since the San Francisco mint stopped minting coins for circulation in 1975. Eva's 1976-S is an impaired proof coin, thus making Eva's MMS-009 a normal 1976 Proof coin.
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#15 Unread post by Earle42 »

Makes sense DS!

How in the world did I see Eva's as a 1970-S and not the 1976-S?

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Try reading the title again :lol: :lol:

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Re: Lincoln cent 1976 PROOF S over reversed S

#16 Unread post by Daniel »

All you proved was your mint mark was normal as we stated, they just gave it a catalogue number to ID normal mint marks. So it's not a variety or special in any way.

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