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This (https://conecaonline.org/master-number-list-philosophy/) page has some stuff but it seems more CONECA-centric than general Numismatic terms.
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Sorry if you have already read what I am beginning to call my "Inside Guide to Grading Companies." Its a lengthy copy paste I have been thanked for numerous times.musospuso wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 9:57 pm Holy Moly those are awesome pics!
And also, wtheck! Seems way more experienced than I have been just as confused so that's depressing. But also, comforting in a way.
Appreciate the feedback, that really helps a lot and I *think* I have a slightly better footing when it comes to FS...now what's this FB stuff over here..........................................
I am an architect so could easily design the system but I am not a coder unfortunately. However I do know a physicist who knows other people that could probably get the science part of it done (AI, Infrared, etc.), it's just a matter of that "last mile" coding part. Would need to know native programming for speed, Machine Learning, Big Data. It's a pretty big ask especially if trying to ultimately make it affordable and accessible. I would like the grading algorithms to be open source but the app implementation could be commercial to cover costs. Sounds like Daniel has already made some traction on this, I wonder where they are or what else needs to be accomplished, what gaps there may be to get where we're talking about.Earle42 wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 7:32 pm Daniel has started this with someone else using AI where they sampled already graded Morgans to have the machine learn what the overall "average" humans had assigned to each grade. I do not know what stage the project is in.
However, I have speculated an iPhone app. could be made rather simply if the right programmer who knows the iPhone would do it.
The iPhone samples 30,000 data points for facial recognition in a fraction of a second. It relies on infra red which would be important for coins b/c lighting problems would be alleviated when taking a picture of a coin.
Those 30,000 data points can tell an iPhone if its user is the one picking it up despite changes like glasses, haircuts, mustaches etc. It certainly could be given an algorithm (made public domain for transparency) to mathematically compute surface damage, wear on high points, etc. and come up with a consistent grade every time. This type of grade was given with the computer grading systems the companies developed (at great cost) and then abandoned in the 90s. It may be one reason for abandoning the better system (as they called it when marketing it) when all other companies were integrating computers is that the grading companies were killing their own slab-&-re-slab-game profits people play trying to get higher grades on the same coin.
I say its past time for this. And I honestly think a 1.00 app on the app store could be made.
I used to teach programming when computers were new to the home and in schools, so everything I know is too old to accomplish this type of project, and and I have too much else going on to try to learn the iPhone system from the ground up. I understand the logic behind how it would work, but don;t know the language, the formatting, the hardware etc.
I look forward to the day for the sake of people who have been taken for a ride by the current system.
It would be great to let the iPhone see it and have an instantaneous grade that everyone would get all the time.
Any takers musospuso?
I can see it bring fought by those who have paid so very much into slabbed coins b/c the Beanie Baby effect would kick in.
Suweeeeeeet, awesome, thank you!DSCoins wrote: ↑Wed May 18, 2022 6:03 pm Let's try this again...
https://conecaonline.org/glossary-of-er ... ety-terms/