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is this cleaned?

#1 Unread post by rparker1866 »

hi

im getting paranoid that every thing i have is cleaned.

i think i can see faint scratches on her face and neck.

it seem to me that the type of light you use to look at coins makes a difference.

my magnifying lamp is led. it doesnt seem to work as well as the old fashion lights.

it seem like the brighter the better a 100 watt works better than a 60 watt.

this got like personal now. i gunna figure this out :-)

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#2 Unread post by Marley.and.T »

Can you post more pics and zoom in on the date, please?

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#3 Unread post by SensibleSal66 »

Here is your coin cropped and enlarged . Your welcome . LOL
P.S Click on picture to enlarge . If you need any help just shout .
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#4 Unread post by SensibleSal66 »

Doesn't look clean to me .
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#5 Unread post by Daniel »

Yes, this coin has been cleaned but not too bad.

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#6 Unread post by SensibleSal66 »

see, I was wrong . Thanks Daniel !
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#8 Unread post by Coin Mule »

Hey R, remember it is not just hairlines, or concentric lines that show rubbing by a cloth or whatever, it is the luster. Two of the main points Daniel brought out were that each mintage can be very different from another, some frostier than others, some more detailed than others and to look for that frosty white that looks like, well, frost, 😂😂😂.

Just because it does not have hairlines, does not mean it has not been cleaned, if you dip a coin enough, it will lose the frost, and be a sure giveaway that it has been cleaned.

If you what the details of different Morgan Mints etc. I have included the below recommendation. Daniel might have one in stock, check with him.

A Guide Book of Morgan Silver Dollars, 5th Edition

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I DO NOT collect Morgan or Piece dollars,.......
but being so curious about the whacked out fascination with this coin,..........
I did, buy this book, read it cover to cover, and resell it.
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#10 Unread post by Nevada Cowboy »

Cleaned could mean a Myriad of different things, sometimes as even Simple as removing the Toning on your Silver. But to Answer your question that Morgan looks like its been cleaned, Yes.

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Rinsing your coin off = Cleaned (in the eyes of a grading service)
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#12 Unread post by Earle42 »

Unless they are the ones who do it :)

Cleaned = removal/altering of metal. Cleaning can include tiny scratches resulting from wiping/rubbing. Cleaning can include removing/altering the micro surface features on the coin's surface that reflect the light to produce original mint luster.

Conserved - removal of substance without altering the metal in any way. Spilling coffee on a coin not good. Rinsing with water (and drying in a method so the coin surface is not altered/scratched) to remove the coffee does not alter the coin itself - hence the hobby normally defines this as conserving. It is impossible to tell conservation has occurred if the person who conserved the coin does it properly.
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Restoration/Conservation...............?
Here is a mid die state, almost no contact specimen I tried!
It was returned uglier than when I sent it.
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Paul wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:24 pm I DO NOT collect Morgan or Piece dollars,.......
but being so curious about the whacked out fascination with this coin,..........
I did, buy this book, read it cover to cover, and resell it.
Hmmm, interesting, I bought mine used and found one Bojangles chicken sandwich wrapper and a Taco Bell Taco wrapper left inside as book marks. This wasn't your book was it? 😁😁😁😁
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Paul wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:09 am Restoration/Conservation...............?
Here is a mid die state, almost no contact specimen I tried!
It was returned uglier than when I sent it.
Hey P, that is horrible, what service? Man I see this and I cannot imagine how frustrating this must have been. Copper is an interesting element, it really will not be damaged by cold distilled water, however if you sneeze on it, or get your acidic grubby fingers on it, you will show marks. Someone with a cold can have a mucus of 8.3, 8.0 is generally considered the norm for sea water, and of course we all know what seawater does to Copper.

It amazes me what these people get away with sometimes. The surface of that coin is like a mirror, any little thing will show up. It demonstrates to me how much they care, or better said, don't care.
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Did they sneeze on it?

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This was coin #3, in a gripe of 4........

What you're seeing is the dirty discolored cleaning solution that they used on the previous 2 coins, that has dripped on the surface of this one,......

You can even see how dirty the solution was by the fingerprint left by the numismatic restoration professional, on the outer rim.

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The Butler did it?

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Paul wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:09 am Restoration/Conservation...............?
Here is a mid die state, almost no contact specimen I tried!
It was returned uglier than when I sent it.
I admit I am not surprised. Too much of this can be seen/found on forums where people post similar things.

I was just trying to lay out the definitions generally used in the hobby. I doubt I will ever pay a company to conserve a coin for me. And I do not think they are above cleaning it (removing metal and altering the coin) while calling it the more market friendly term, "conserving."
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