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Hello all; I found this one in the parking lot. Looks to me to have a damaged date.
I'm still learning. This is going to be a long process:) 1950, no mint mark. Damage on the 5 in the date.
Thanks in advance.
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Good call on this being damaged.
Damaged by a roll crimping machine, coin also appears to be cleaned.
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How can you tell if it has been cleaned? Does that hurt the value? If any?

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Not really, these are worth a tiny premium over copper melt. I'd be OK buying a roll called that the seller called average circulated and finding one like this in.
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It doesn't have much value because it's a common wheat cent date. No mint mark is a Philadelphia Mint issue they didn't put mint marks on cents except 2017 (only year). It's worth a few cents.
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In this case the cleaning was done on a coin not worth more than the copper it is made of. But cleaning coins is always a terrible thing to do in case you have something of value. Cleaning (which in the coin hobby means altering the metal itself like polishing, rubbing etc.) will decrease the value greatly.

Coin conservation is different - it does not alter the metal (like rinsing spilled Pepsi off of a coin).

Everything you need to know about coin conservation:
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https://coinauctionshelp.com/forum/view ... hp?t=20498
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Earle42 wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:49 am Cleaning (which in the coin hobby means altering the metal itself like polishing, rubbing etc.) will decrease the value greatly.

Coin conservation is different - it does not alter the metal (like rinsing spilled Pepsi off of a coin).

I Disagree

Roll Crimper Damage
Value Equal to One Cent
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Thank you all for your comments. I am learning all the terminology and abbreviations at this point.

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Paul wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:35 am
Earle42 wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:49 am Cleaning (which in the coin hobby means altering the metal itself like polishing, rubbing etc.) will decrease the value greatly.

Coin conservation is different - it does not alter the metal (like rinsing spilled Pepsi off of a coin).

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Roll Crimper Damage
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What are you disagreeing with here P?
It's all chemical reactions that a chemist or someone who studied chemistry would know. Unless you use some abrasive or caustic on a coin to remove the original striking layer then the coin isn't considered cleaned by industry standards and chemistry in general.

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O.K.
My philosophy is just a little different, .......I believe that if you do ANYTHING to a coin, you have altered its surface.
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#11 Unread post by Earle42 »

Scenario: I spill Pepsi on a coin.
1. I rinse it off and allow that kind of altering - it's impossible to tell anything was ever done and the coin remains as it was, or
2. I let the Pepsi stay, it dries as a sticky substance onto the coin, over time dust and dirt stick to the gunk, a chemical reaction starts with the metal, and forever scars the coin.

I choose the former, but if someone wants the latter for their own coins, then who am I to say different?

My way of thinking is that if I give newbies a starting point, it might mean some of them don;t just use a wire brush and Brasso to make their coins "look like new!"

Technically, every single time a coin is exposed to the air, on an atomic level there will likely be some minimal electron exchange between atoms on the surface and the atmosphere. So it could be said a coin just existing alters the coin...unless you keep it in a perfect vacuum, and its scientifically impossible to get a perfect vacuum anyway. But this kind of alteration is impossible to tell.

Static electricity in our bodies as we hold the coin also "alters" the coin by moving around electrons. But it's impossible to tell.

WHile extremes, those ideas are fact. So there has to be some limit we each decide to place on what level of altering is acceptable to us and what is not.

Since newbies have no idea about any of this anyway, until they know enough to make up their own minds, we all know newbies will want to do SOMETHING to "make their coins look better." I point newbies to a way the coin has no traces of alteration chemically or physically.

IMO, not informing them of conservation vs cleaning is a lot better than not giving them anything so they decide to use Brasso. :lol: ;)
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Paul wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:22 pm O.K.
My philosophy is just a little different, .......I believe that if you do ANYTHING to a coin, you have altered its surface.
Yes, you have altered the surface, but not always harshly. However, it is not considered cleaned if a coin is properly restored. Removing PVC is one example. In your philosophy just touching a coin is altering it.

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