Error on a Slabbed Coin Question

[Mikebella760]

Hello, all! New to the community. I have this beautiful conder token that seems to have a serious die Crack error. Bottom Right of the shield on the reverse. However, it's not denoted on the slab. Is it worth resubmitting to get the attribution or is is common for these older tokens to have errors like this? Thank you!
Also, if anyone has any idea on value, I would appreciate it. By NGC only 1 graded higher, 4 in this grade and no past sales that I can find.
Apologies for the poor photos. Not sure how to work with the glare on slabs.

[CoinBoy2]

Grading companies do not label die cracks if they are common.

[Mikebella760]

Well, they also wouldn't if it wasn't paid for. I don't believe they take it upon themselves to look for die Cracks, other errors, varieties, etc unless prompted.
According to their website, "NGC will grade most circulation issue mint errors as well as most Proof mint errors struck prior to 1985. Mint errors struck after that date are evaluated for NGC grading on a case‐by‐case basis."
They would undoubtedly attribute it if they deemed it significant enough and the attribution was paid for.
Thanks anyway

[Paul]

Well, they also wouldn't if it wasn't paid for.

[Daniel]

You must submit coins under their mint error or variety tier to get that designation. They don't look for die cracks and do that for you and a die crack is more than likely not going to anything and if it did they would put minor mint error or something to that effect.

[Daniel]

Grading companies do not label die cracks if they are common.

You should be sure about this, sometimes NGC will label minor errors as minor errors, but they must consider die cracks a minor error. So this should be researched to be sure.

[Earle42]

Some help understanding grading companies:
If you enjoy losing money, skip reading the following essay

The Insider's Guide to Using Grading Companies
-or-
Thinking of Slabbing? Make sure you understand the Facts...or You Could Lose Money.

Popular mistaken mindset:
1. The grading companies are not a way that the majority of people, even those with a great deal of experience who know what they are doing, are going to be able to use in order to make huge personal profits. Many people start using grading companies thinking they will find a way to finance their hobby, but they learn a hard lesson quickly.

In general, the coin you have found in circulation is NOT going to make huge profits if slabbed. Way too many people pad the pockets of the companies and get nothing in return b/c they THINK (youtube videos!) they have something rare.

Professional predicting not possible:
2. Watch some of Daniel's videos where he gets slabbed coins back from the grading companies. Note even people who live, eat, breath, and deal coins for a living (like Daniel) can accurately predict what grade the companies will give. And...the "fault" (not really a fault) is in a widespread mistaken perception people get from being exposed to all the slabs being sold nowadays:

a. Coin grading companies are a business out to make a profit - this is why they exist. They use a system where allegedly three, but in reality its normally two, graders look at each coin and give an opinion. The company videos showing the process make you believe this is a relaxed and paced process of studying each coin. In fact one PCGS video shows a number of guys sitting around a table discussing what they think a specific coin should be graded as (on youtube somewhere - sorry no link). Uh uh.

b. If you take a PCGS graded coin slabbed as MS64, break it out, and resubmit it to PCGS, you are never guaranteed the same grade again. The slabbed coin might come back MS62 (extreme and a bad day for graders), 63, 64, 65, 66 (extreme and a great day for you!). This is b/c the process is all subjective: No scientific/verifiable standards or methods are used. This subjectivity makes for greater company profits since people resubmit the same coin trying to get a higher (better price when selling) grade. In the 90s the companies, at great expense, created better (their own words) scientific methods not relying upon human opinion. No doubt the large profit from the re-slabbing game fell. The companies abandoned the science and went back to their less accurate systems.

c. It needs be mentioned that the fewer the "money grade" slabs a company assigns, the more prices of said slabs climbs. Thus more business is generated b/c more people pay to slab coins hoping to get that "money grade" slab. And the companies do keep records (accessible online) of how many of the higher graded slabs exist for each coin. While the idea of keeping money grade slabs minimized is speculative, there has been some convincing evidence of this being reality.

But..this is all hearsay without proof. So...
Grading the Coin Graders

Here is another good read from someone there at the start of the grading companies:
Hobby negative impacts from slabbing companies

Error on errors:
3. People also seem to think grading companies will examine a coin to see if they can find an error and then slab it as such. But again, they ONLY GRADE coins. The companies will NOT try to find and ID an error for you. You must FIRST ID the error yourself, CHECK to see if the company you want to use recognizes that specific error, PAY them to verify the error on the label, and then you may or may not actually get what you pay for! The companies have a bad reputation for attributing errors incorrectly.

Link to and read (download if you want it) the pdf link in my signature as an eye opening example. Sadly, the verifiable data presented from the PCGS website shows trusting people have spent thousands of dollars on many slabbed coins that are not what the companies claims/slabbed the coins to be.

Cost concerns:
4. B/c people do not understand the businesses, so very many people end up with spending far more money to slab a coin than the coin is worth. The companies profit greatly with membership fees, submission fees, insurance fees, shipping fees and extra (chosen) fees. ANACs does not have all these fees though.


You don't have to throw in the towel over these companies...but education about the reality of them will put you on the right pathway to dealing with them in a legit way without losing money in the process.


And…if you just like to collect slabbed coins for what they are, which makes losing/making money from slabs irrelevant, then of course enjoy them!"

[Mikebella760]

Thank you everyone for the reply. I reached out to NGC directly. They said they would attribute any legitimate coin with any legitimate error. Common or not. As long as it is sent in with the proper attribution paperwork and extra fee.
That answers that.
So they would in fact attribute it if resubmitted. But as yall mentioned, there is a chance it might get downgraded. And since it's clearly a diecrack, no reason to pay just to have the label say so.
Thank you!