1945 P Struck On A Damaged Planchet

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Re: 1945 P Struck On A Damaged Planchet

#11 Unread post by Earle42 »

I'm stumped. Interesting how its easy to see the devices of the date even in the valley areas.

Only a guess: Maybe it was struck through something soft (compressible) enough to allow details to show up from the die into the planchet? I don't think it was struck through something solid like a chunk of metal (feeder finger piece or something else) b/c devices show where the object in the way of the die would not allow the devices to be impressed into the planchet.
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Re: 1945 P Struck On A Damaged Planchet

#12 Unread post by Coin Mule »

Hey Mark, you may find this interesting. This penny has used "brass", in its composition, some call them “shell case cents”, from military training facilities, so there was no need to add tin because of the content of the cases. Now according to one erudite, the coin composition cannot be detected by sight. So that along with whatever is going on with the front "looks like a legit strikethrough to me", this little guy is pretty cool. I'll give you a buck for it, 🤣🤣🤣😂🤣
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Earle42 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:10 pm I'm stumped. Interesting how its easy to see the devices of the date even in the valley areas.

I don't think it was struck through something solid like a chunk of metal (feeder finger piece or something else) b/c devices show where the object in the way of the die would not allow the devices to be impressed into the planchet.
Hey Earl, how 'bout an index finger. 😄
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More of the reverse
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I would need to see this firsthand to give an opinion here ..... ?
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#16 Unread post by Earle42 »

Mark, I am not sure how much you know about coins., so some advice...do not send this in to a grading company b/c they do not offer a service of identifying what an error is. You would be out their fee and not get anything in return.

As you can see in Paul's signature, he is the Wisconson State Rep for C.O.N.E.C.A.: https://conecaonline.org

If you are going to send it anywhere, Paul would be the guy to ID it for you.
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Earle42 wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:30 pm Mark, I am not sure how much you know about coins., so some advice...do not send this in to a grading company b/c they do not offer a service of identifying what an error is. You would be out their fee and not get anything in return.

As you can see in Paul's signature, he is the Wisconson State Rep for C.O.N.E.C.A.: https://conecaonline.org

If you are going to send it anywhere, Paul would be the guy to ID it for you.
Thank you for the info. I'm not a "error" coin collector, so in the long run I will not keep this one, but I'm wanting to learn what I can about it of course for value when I do sell it, if it has collector value to other's. I will contact Paul directly, but I'm still open to other opinions. I agree that it is struck on used brass from shell casings from after WWII.
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Paul wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:27 am ....................MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM,
I would need to see this firsthand to give an opinion here ..... ?
Hi Paul! I found your site and will join. I will then want to more than likely send it to you for inspection.

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It is not necessary to join the organization for me to inspect your coin
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Paul wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:29 pm It is not necessary to join the organization for me to inspect your coin
Ok. I will send it out to you before the end of the week.

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Looking forward to Paul's opinion on this one.
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My personal opinion is this coin had a delamination before it was struck, and the strike "smoothed" out the grainy surfaces delaminations are known for, then circulation did the rest.

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#23 Unread post by jitinwadhwa »

Very Intresting!

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#24 Unread post by BillyBob »

Nice. Can't wait for the experts to identify what you have.

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#25 Unread post by BillyBob »

Is it possible that in the rolling out of the sheet planchet that something fell into the path of the rollers and made this impression prior to having the coin planchets punched from the sheet? The next supposition would be that the something fell off prior to getting between the dies. I know a little about steel rolling mills, thought that maybe the planchet sheets were rolled in a similar process.

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#26 Unread post by SensibleSal66 »

Very interesting .
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My personal opinion is this coin had a delamination before it was struck, and the strike "smoothed" out the grainy surfaces delaminations are known for, then circulation did the rest.
Kicking myself for not thinking of this also!
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I will let everybody know what I find, and include a few pictures
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Paul wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:29 pm It is not necessary to join the organization for me to inspect your coin
I joined your organization this morning. I want to be a member there so I can have better access to the site and it's contents.

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