1979 p DDO

[Milad.S]

Date, Liberty and in God we trust are completely doubled.

[SensibleSal66]

Just looks like a case of Machine doubling not DDO , unless your looking on Etsy.com.

[Milad.S]

Etsy?! No way, I’ll show you my coins. there is no MD on this coin, how can I prove it ? Give me couple of minutes and I’ll show you ;)

[DSCoins]

Etsy?! No way, I’ll show you my coins. there is no MD on this coin, how can I prove it ? Give me couple of minutes and I’ll show you ;)

Sorry to tell you, SensibleSal66 is correct. Machine doubling not a Doubled Die

[Paul]

I need clearer properly imaged photos for attribution here
I am not aware of any 1979 DDO in existence yet

[Milad.S]

Ok 1st photo is from PCGS, 2nd is my coin.
Please compare the size of the devices and tell me where you think there is MD and I’ll post a photo specifically from that area to show you that it’s my coin and no MD.

[DSCoins]

Your coin is not a Doubled Die. The PCGS coin you posted (should not post PCGS photos here). Even so your PCGS photo is just a normal Red MS-64 (not a Doubled Die). Comparing a none Doubled Die to you Photo shows that your coin is not a Doubled Die.

[Milad.S]

Really what kind of logic is that? So you don’t go compare your coins ?! Also a coin that’s not known?
Well if you had a bit of intelligence you would zoom in on the date and see the 9 completely separated, I don’t need to explain to you my friend simply because if it was your coin a comment like yours would make yourself laugh haha

[Milad.S]

I mean it wouldn’t make me laugh if your signature didn’t have all those finds, so you didn’t compare any of those finds huh ?! Hahaha

[Thatgirl42]

My response to these types of back and forth is consistent. If someone truly believes they have a discovery coin or better yet any coin they believe is unique it’s always going to be best to hand walk your coin into a coin shop or better off send it off to get either an attribution or a complete disappointment from a professional . We are limited sometimes by less than decent quality pictures of so called coin. Regardless if you are convinced that you hold in your possession a unique coin go outside of one dimensional pictures posted on a forum and get it into someone’s hands who can confirm or deny your suspicions.It makes no logical sense to post a picture ask for opinions and then when opinions are given become defensive.

[DSCoins]

Like Thatgirl42 said. If you think you have a discovery coin post it on CONECAs' forum. Either that or you can send it into a TGP and try to have them attribute it. Of course you more than likely lose money as it will not be an variety or error and they do not refund your money when YOU are wrong. Plan and simple.

[Daniel]

If TPGS don't have it listed in their price guide they will not put it on the label and most DDO's are not worth the submission and membership fees. CONECA forum is the best place.

[Earle42]

...should not post PCGS photos here...

For clarification: Under "Fair Use" it is perfectly legal and legit to post non public domain material in an educational context. But full attribution should be present such as a statement of "Original Photo:https://portsmouthcoinshop.com/."

Second - It appears what you see as doubling in your fist picture disappears when the coin is show at a different angle. Reflection doubling can do this.

Third: I am assuming from your post showing your coin in hand that you are fairly new to coins? please know that if you don;t handle coins only by the edges, finger oils can cause deterioration over time. You would not want this on a valuable coin.

Fourth:

Well if you had a bit of intelligence you would zoom in on the date and see the 9 completely separated, I don’t need to explain to you my friend simply because if it was your coin a comment like yours would make yourself laugh haha

This is known as an ad hominem response. Attacking character rather than legitimate discussion is an accepted (in the psychological and world of official debate) subconscious admission by the person using such that they feel cornered and don't know what they are talking about.

If this was an official debate (you know, like college teams?), the other team would be declared the obvious winner. I have "shut down" a lawyer before with this fact b/c he knew what it meant, but was hoping I did not.

Yes...I was a teacher...can't you tell?

In other words...please be nice. We try (and sometimes also fail).

You took offense quickly at something meant instead to target legal usage of non public domain material.

[Milad.S]

...should not post PCGS photos here...

For clarification: Under "Fair Use" it is perfectly legal and legit to post non public domain material in an educational context. But full attribution should be present such as a statement of "Original Photo:https://portsmouthcoinshop.com/."

Second - It appears what you see as doubling in your fist picture disappears when the coin is show at a different angle. Reflection doubling can do this.

Third: I am assuming from your post showing your coin in hand that you are fairly new to coins? please know that if you don;t handle coins only by the edges, finger oils can cause deterioration over time. You would not want this on a valuable coin.

Fourth:

Well if you had a bit of intelligence you would zoom in on the date and see the 9 completely separated, I don’t need to explain to you my friend simply because if it was your coin a comment like yours would make yourself laugh haha

This is known as an ad hominem response. Attacking character rather than legitimate discussion is an accepted (in the psychological and world of official debate) subconscious admission by the person using such that they feel cornered and don't know what they are talking about.

If this was an official debate (you know, like college teams?), the other team would be declared the obvious winner. I have "shut down" a lawyer before with this fact b/c he knew what it meant, but was hoping I did not.

Yes...I was a teacher...can't you tell?

In other words...please be nice. We try (and sometimes also fail).

You took offense quickly at something meant instead to target legal usage of non public domain material.

Dear Earle42,

Thank you for sharing your opinion, let me clarify some stuff for you,

1st- no I’m not new to coins but I am new to this forum, after finding my collection in the storage after 10 years I decided to sort and organize them since I recently retired myself and have plenty of time.
2nd- I am an Aspergers / ADHD individual who tends to be extremely logical, some say I’m gifted maybe because I have a 140+ IQ and with not even an high school diploma I retired myself from being a high producer mortgage loan officer at the age of 30.
3rd- the reflection you are referring to is caused by a led light on the microscope and anyone who actually deals with coins and likes to see the details knows that.
4th- emotions don’t win you a case in court but logic would, I did not attack anyone’s character simply because I did not send them an invitation to comment on the post attacking me first and I would wanted to see someone ask, hey what do you see that we don’t but no one did.
5th- I actually posted that only for Paul and Daniel to see and I messaged Paul before posting simply because I was not able to send a photo in a private message.

Respect is earned not given, you might have thousands of post but are you an expert?! I’m not either, I came here with a friendly manners but I don’t see any welcoming hands.

Oh also let me mention this I don’t care about the value of the coins, want me to show you ? I just washed a 1966 fs801 and made it shiny because I like it like that.

Thanks for your time

[Milad.S]

I posted the photos on the coneca forum and I thought to share them with you as well.

[Paul]

These last images that you posted here......... sure look like strike doubling to me.....JMO

[DSCoins]

These last images that you posted here......... sure look like strike doubling to me.....JMO

I agree with Paul. Who for the record is a expert. He just happens to be the CONECA Wisconsin State Representative (Master Die Examiner.). That just might give you some idea as to what you may be told on the CONECA forum.

[Earle42]

3rd- the reflection you are referring to is caused by a led light on the microscope and anyone who actually deals with coins and likes to see the details knows that.

Not everyone uses the same equipment to post pictures. Not every microscope has the same lighting. There is a lot of info online on coin forums about how to take pictures and people experimenting with coin lighting in pictures.

The Aspergers makes me now understand why you took the simple reply as an attack. I am familiar with this as I have had friends diagnosed with this.

You will find that the people who are here the most often do not normally make attacks on anyone b/c we want to help people, not chase them away.

As to the court case concept...we wish logic prevailed. In real life this is not always the case. The lawyer I spoke of knew he was out of options and so did the only thing he could to hopefully make me look the emotional fool. He tried to bait me into becoming emotional instead of standing by the facts. He looked surprised when I said he was using an ad hominem approach and therefore invalidating himself. He went no further.

Anyway...please do not assume the regulars on here are going to be trying to make you feel small or dumb. We are here to help. We enjoy helping or we wouldn't spend as much time as we do here daily.

Sometimes we might not "flower up" a response (you get the idea), but its just time being short that produces what might seem to be non-friendly replies.