Cold hard truth
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Cold hard truth
It is beginning to occur to me the more I learn that there is a cold hard truth to coin collecting. When i hunt rolls I only Keep what looks very good and unscratched I get exited when i find older coins that look like they are in good shape. So, now that I'm here in a forum learning the finer details it seems to me that likely 98% of what I'm keeping is really not that great because upon closer inspection in the microscope I'm finding scratches that I didn't see with my eye piece.
Im also guessing this is going to be the case until i really gain a good understanding of what a true specimen is. It amazes me how many coins in shoddy condition that fetch good prices. With my limited experience i would throw out because i have no understanding of what im doing.
Sorry for going on but i expect higher than average out of myself and i will admit its frustrating that i have a hard time identifying something as simple as a double die.
OK I'm done
Im also guessing this is going to be the case until i really gain a good understanding of what a true specimen is. It amazes me how many coins in shoddy condition that fetch good prices. With my limited experience i would throw out because i have no understanding of what im doing.
Sorry for going on but i expect higher than average out of myself and i will admit its frustrating that i have a hard time identifying something as simple as a double die.
OK I'm done
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Re: Cold hard truth
Don't get so hard on yourself . It takes years sometimes for you can get the whole concept of coin collecting and examining . I've been Error coin collecting for about 10 years and have questions sometimes everyday / sometimes learning something NEW .
It will come as you watch, read and learn over time . I recommend a few books . One is the RED Book ,2 Error books and a Variety Book . That's not to mention Daniel's Cool Videos .
It will come as you watch, read and learn over time . I recommend a few books . One is the RED Book ,2 Error books and a Variety Book . That's not to mention Daniel's Cool Videos .
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Re: Cold hard truth
Good post and one more that just came out is as good as they get for mint error books
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Re: Cold hard truth
I agree 100% - It's been frustrating at times - But Daniel does say you have to learn to hunt before you hunt!
Just don't give up - I'm getting there and it's starting to get better and more fun!
Just don't give up - I'm getting there and it's starting to get better and more fun!
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Re: Cold hard truth
Another thing you need to keep in mind. What do you see with a 10X loop? Under a USB microscope any coin will look a lot worse than it really is. A lot of people need to step away from the USB Microscopes until they learn what can and can't happen to a coin during the minting process.
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Re: Cold hard truth
Hang in there! All of the above is great advice we all went through for our love of the hunt!
Coin collecting varieties takes training our thinking towards the details of what actual errors look like. Knowing HOW they happen is a great way to start since the background info aids in analyzing actual errors vs. altered/damage.
As an example...
BTW..."doubled die."
The error has this name b/c the die making the coin had a doubled image engraved into it.
So when you see what is known as machine doubling's flat shelf-like appearance, you understand it cannot be a real doubled die b/c one "image" has contours and the other image there is flat. Machine doubling also thins the actual devices while making the shelf-like flat area people mistake as being doubling.
Coin collecting varieties takes training our thinking towards the details of what actual errors look like. Knowing HOW they happen is a great way to start since the background info aids in analyzing actual errors vs. altered/damage.
As an example...
BTW..."doubled die."
The error has this name b/c the die making the coin had a doubled image engraved into it.
So when you see what is known as machine doubling's flat shelf-like appearance, you understand it cannot be a real doubled die b/c one "image" has contours and the other image there is flat. Machine doubling also thins the actual devices while making the shelf-like flat area people mistake as being doubling.
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How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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Re: Cold hard truth
thanks everybody. I have watched that doubled die video before I like it and it helps. In regard to microscope that also is irritating its confusing on what is really damaged and not damaged. i use PCGS to try to compare grading classes be even that seems confusing at times. I guess its a good sign im frustrated because i am learning what actually makes a good specimen. thanks again everybody.
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Re: Cold hard truth
Yes, because you're learning the truth and the truth usually hurt when you're emotionally attached to something that doesn't meet your expectations.
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Re: Cold hard truth
...and we all went though it :)
Hang in there...keep working at it...and when you find that first gem it's all worth it.
I remember being almost giddy when I found my first DDO in the wild. It was a 1974-D Kennedy half. I about fell out of my chair! And after that experience it seemed easier to recognize true DDOs.
Hang in there...keep working at it...and when you find that first gem it's all worth it.
I remember being almost giddy when I found my first DDO in the wild. It was a 1974-D Kennedy half. I about fell out of my chair! And after that experience it seemed easier to recognize true DDOs.
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Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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Re: Cold hard truth
Daniel, thanks for posting the video about this book. I found it on ebay for 90 bucks and just got it today. I was surprised to see the author signed it and wrote me a nice note. Very cool!!
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Re: Cold hard truth
Well,
Im doing this because i have been bored during the pandemic however, im finding that im getting a bit addicted to looking at coins. Today I saw a penny at the gas station where they keep the extra pennies next to the cash register. I just bought 2 rolls of pennies but there was a penny in that bowl that looked odd so I took it and put a penny in after asking first. It turned out to be a 1943 steel penny. what worries me at this point is the coins i looked at and rejected. there was this one nickel I found that was a hook nickel. about a month later i was watching you tube and wouldnt ya know it. it was a 3 over a 2. The only saving grace was that it was pretty beat up.
Im doing this because i have been bored during the pandemic however, im finding that im getting a bit addicted to looking at coins. Today I saw a penny at the gas station where they keep the extra pennies next to the cash register. I just bought 2 rolls of pennies but there was a penny in that bowl that looked odd so I took it and put a penny in after asking first. It turned out to be a 1943 steel penny. what worries me at this point is the coins i looked at and rejected. there was this one nickel I found that was a hook nickel. about a month later i was watching you tube and wouldnt ya know it. it was a 3 over a 2. The only saving grace was that it was pretty beat up.
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Re: Cold hard truth
Great post after 3 weeks of searching through coins chasing errors or high grade coins, I backed off from looking at coins besides in order to study them. I instead started to study the process of how U.S coins are made and what can go wrong during the process. After those apx three weeks of looking at coins blindly .I found myself to be exhausted, sore and feeling discouraged because I had absolutely no clue what I was even looking for. I spent three days thinking I had found an extremely rare and valuable penny only to discover it was a machine doubled coin lol I will NEVER do that to myself again. I will learn to crawl before I walk because the least I fall down the least I will have to crawl back up. Good luck to you!
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Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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