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#1 Unread post by muzzman »

How is this possible if it's authentic? I don't know yet if it is. Maybe it's not but still. These 2 are fully stamped out. You can see between them with a light and see that they are. There is no slit of any kind at the hinge, not even a crack that would show 2 being pressed together.
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#2 Unread post by DSCoins »

All I see is a beat up Indian Head cent. PMD, corroded not an error coin at all.

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#3 Unread post by muzzman »

No wait a minute. I'm not done loading pics. I'm having troubles getting them to post. But no you are not right. This is 2 stuck together.

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But I can see how you would think that. Give me a minute and I'll get the others posted

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How is this possible if it's authentic? I don't know yet if it is. Maybe it's not but still. These 2 are fully stamped out. You can see between them with a light and see that they are. There is no slit of any kind at the hinge, not even a crack that would show 2 being pressed together.
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Thank you for your patience

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#7 Unread post by DSCoins »

In my opinion it still looks beat up. Yes you can have a authentic Indian Head cent. All that means it is a real Indian Head cent, does not mean that it is a error coin. From what I can see on this coin is nothing more than PMD. Looking at the whole coin says that this may have been a medal detector find at one time. Again that is just my opinion. I am sure if I am wrong (which does happen) those with more experience will let me know.

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#8 Unread post by muzzman »

ok. but that's not one coin. that's 2 coins folded in half still attached to each other.

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#9 Unread post by muzzman »

that's what i'm asking is how does 2 coins come out still attached to each other and folded in the middle?

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#10 Unread post by Earle42 »

It is hard to see what is going on in the pictures. But your description helps. You are saying you have two normal Indian cents that are connected at one side correct?

No matter how it happened, there is nothing in the minting process that would/could make something like this. Post mint damage.
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#11 Unread post by Daniel »

I agree, someone did this outside the mint, made jewelry with it or something then it was in the ground and became corroded. Not a mint error.
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#12 Unread post by Mrweaseluv »

You want to know the "truth"... they are damaged IHCs and I can even tell you how they got into their present state.. the coins were used in a fuse panel to replace a burned out fuse (something very commonly done back in the 50s) The corrosion and melted edges are a common result (and often the cause of house fires)... So while you have a very interesting piece there, it is not "mint error" but post mint damage (PMD)
Wish I could give you a more positive answer, but I have seen quite a few examples of this (though this is the 1st i've seen with IHCs rather then wheats)
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Mrweaseluv wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:47 pm You want to know the "truth"... they are damaged IHCs and I can even tell you how they got into their present state.. the coins were used in a fuse panel to replace a burned out fuse (something very commonly done back in the 50s) The corrosion and melted edges are a common result (and often the cause of house fires)... So while you have a very interesting piece there, it is not "mint error" but post mint damage (PMD)
Wish I could give you a more positive answer, but I have seen quite a few examples of this (though this is the 1st i've seen with IHCs rather then wheats)
You got it, couldn't think of that but knew they where somehow "fused" together outside the mint. Thanks!
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#14 Unread post by Earle42 »

Watt a revolting use for indian Head Cents. Wire people so apt to ruin good coins? Shocking that someone would do this at all. I just don't have the capacity to understand why, and I better switch to another thread before I am too amped up over this current one to resist typing any more about this.
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Earle42 wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:11 pm Watt a revolting use for indian Head Cents. Wire people so apt to ruin good coins? Shocking that someone would do this at all. I just don't have the capacity to understand why, and I better switch to another thread before I am too amped up over this current one to resist typing any more about this.
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#16 Unread post by SensibleSal66 »

As a metal detectorist , It's not uncommon to find Two copper coins stuck together . I also agree with Earle42 and DCoins .
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Earle42 wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:29 pm It is hard to see what is going on in the pictures. But your description helps. You are saying you have two normal Indian cents that are connected at one side correct?

No matter how it happened, there is nothing in the minting process that would/could make something like this. Post mint damage.
the extra metal in between the 2 coins is natural. the 2 planchets where never fully cut out from each other. i guess if you seen it in your hands you'll see that. i tried with pics but they don't show to well.

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#18 Unread post by Daniel »

There’s nothing natural about how this coin is, again, this is post mint damaged. If you still don’t agree then send it off to PCGS under their mint error tier then get back with us on the results.
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