1909 VDB Lincoln Cent Reverse Error Comments

[Paul]

I'd very much like to hear all the comments individuals have as to the reverse of this coin…

[xapatrick]

This is interesting. A wild speculation, but given it's a Philly mint and first year of issue, could it be a reverse die made from a hub that was used in the final development of the design and still showing traces of the adjusted details?

[SensibleSal66]

This is very interesting indeed. I going on a limb here Paul and going to say Die Deterioration Doubling . I may be wrong as sometimes I am . Yes , DDD is my final answer . Boy, can't wait for this one .

[Coin Mule]

I can hear Daniel now "Stop Looking For Double Dies"

[SensibleSal66]

Wow , I forgot .

[Daniel]

I can hear Daniel now "Stop Looking For Double Dies"

UNTIL one learns the minting process and what they look like LOL

[Paul]

D, your thoughts please…

[kcm]

Paul,

While we await Daniel’s scrutiny, do you mind if I chime in?

The V.D.B. tells me this is one of the very first issues of a new issue, first week, I believe. My experience with numismatics is pitiful, not so in matters of manufacturing research and development. Paul, I’ve seen you – on the forum -- first study for yourself and then teach the owner about a coin by the exercise of superimposing a transparent reverse over an opaque obverse in order to assess alignment. In this coin I see (DOESN’T mean it’s there!) workmen wanting to improve their work and superimposing their improvement over an earlier version for purposes of study.

I’ve got a fair supply of ’09 V.D.B.’s. I’ll enjoy a future project of checking to see if all the wheat stalks on all the samples are the same length.

Kevin

[Paul]

K,
I don't think I have superimposed any images in such a long time… So long ago I can't remember when…

This is the actual coin, no funky monkey business with image manipulation whatsoever

[Coin Mule]

Wait a Red Cent minit, Paul are you asking us drooling knuckle draggers for an opinion? Hah, to show you my ignorance, I thought the "Fly In Club" had something to do with EAA in Oshkosh, I said to myself, cool Paul is a pilot also, until I clicked on the link

Anyway my opinion, it is cool and unique, attribute it, grade it and sell it. (yes Darwinian capitalist). $$$$

[Daniel]

I am not sure what I am looking at here, can't discern the depth of field in these images. In a couple images I see flatness, a couple images I am not sure. Looks like die deterioration with some ejection chatter, but color of images throws me off a bit. Would rather see coins like this in person.

It is possible, based on the ONE CENT that there's some titled hub doubling (just potentially), but there's more going on that is not die doubling as well.

[kcm]

Oh! Good God! What an unforgiveable screw-up I own! I NEVER entertained the idea that you might have manipulated these images. I sought only to compare your skill and technique at making things right against the skill and technique of the creators of this coin to making things right. I ought to have known my analogy invited accusation in this age of distrust. I do NOT expect to be wholly forgiven by you for my deficiency.

Kevin

[kcm]

Paul,

I never meant to imply that you manipulated this image. Mine was analogy, not accusation. I proposed that a second, modified, working die might have been used in a mint workshop to superimpose its image over its predecessor's image for purposes of studying the "improved" design in relation to one seen to be less desirable from a point of manufacturing efficiency.

Kevin

[Paul]

K, please don't get your shorts in a twist…

D, these images are from a long time ago, when I imaged it through… The flip that it was in.
I will have to go snag this from my safe deposit box,… And get Mike Byers to look at it.

The more that I inspect it, I believe it may be a double struck in a stiff collar?