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1967 Lincoln Cent (Date looks like 196T)

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:28 am
by Oldtimmer
Looks to have die deterioration on the 7 in the date
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Just thought that it looked different

Re: 1967 Lincoln Cent (Date looks like 196T)

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:41 am
by Daniel
Looks more like a scaped areas from contact with something.

Re: 1967 Lincoln Cent (Date looks like 196T)

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 pm
by pahwa
Daniel, I guess I don't understand what you are saying. If it is a contact, it would be recessed. I know my vision is not the best but after blowing this thing up it is extra metal. Someone has been messing with the coin from what it looks to me. The shadow extends past the 7 upright. The bottom of the 7 looks different as well. If you look at the top of the 7 upright the metal is over the 'T' bar. Unless that was restamped. That is a lot of metal to the right side of the top of the 7 to not be noticed until now if it was something in the die unless the mint workers caught it fast.

It is a cool looking coin tho.

Re: 1967 Lincoln Cent (Date looks like 196T)

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:37 am
by Daniel
The image is blurry and at on angle but see how skinny the 7 is compared to a normal 7, that tells me this area was scraped and the metal moved to the top.

Re: 1967 Lincoln Cent (Date looks like 196T)

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:37 am
by Oldtimmer
Here is a close up of the 7
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This is the best I can do for images with the equipment I have.
First image if you look a the serrations above, below and behind the 7 they are consistent.
To me this had to have been done at the mint( I could be wrong )
The second image is the regular 1967

Re: 1967 Lincoln Cent (Date looks like 196T)

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:55 am
by Paul
:thumbsup: close-up images

I'll go with PMD ....

Re: 1967 Lincoln Cent (Date looks like 196T)

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:21 pm
by Oldtimmer
Very good

Thanks All

Re: 1967 Lincoln Cent (Date looks like 196T)

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:50 pm
by pahwa
Daniel wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:37 am
The image is blurry and at on angle but see how skinny the 7 is compared to a normal 7, that tells me this area was scraped and the metal moved to the top.
Trying to understand how this could happen. So how could this happen? I would have to do an overlay to see if there is a huge difference in the thickness of the 7. There are too many anomalies. It has to be post mint. If post mint, why is it flattened so perfectly? There is no mechical reason for it. There appears to be a patch of dissimilar metals connecting the seven to the east arm. That lighter colored metal patch. Again perfectly flattened to the same height as the seven but it does taper down. Now then the question arises is why is it still attached. If scraped, the East "T" leg would either be a coil of metal or a pushed up blob of metal. One would think that over time it would probably fall off or be loose. Also since the bottom of the 7 is not right either, there must have been some scraping occurring there as well. What an interesting coin. A definite keeper, just for its uniqueness. Great find! You could always list it on Espy for a one of a kind t-7 for a 100k. There are weirder things listed there....

Re: 1967 Lincoln Cent (Date looks like 196T)

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:55 pm
by Daniel
Did you see the new images? They confirm my observation this is a scrape that pushed the metal in that direction and it has circulated. Trust me this is a scrape along the edge of the 7.

Re: 1967 Lincoln Cent (Date looks like 196T)

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:32 pm
by pahwa
The scraping isn't the question. It is the other questions I posed. Flattened and solid. Scraping both directions. The patch or dissimilar looking metal with a very distinct outline. Just weird things. It should be a coil or a blob. It should move as it will not be connected to the actual 7. If a vertical scrape which would narrow the width, the coil would be vertical and it wouldn't be connected at the bottom. But since this extension is rather long and flat not loose, that we know of anyway, it is tough to get your head around all of it. Unless in hand to see the damage along the seven leg and the west "T" leg most everything is speculation except for the scrape. I guess It really doesn't matter, the coin is a keeper in my book anyway. Lots of questions, but there are always are on coins like this. I am guessing this is the first one of these you have seen, I know I have never seen one. You are done at a scrape or the cause, I am just beginning my investigation once the cause is known, I sometimes like to see how the results or what we are seeing now has been altered from the cause. LOL