Die Deterioration??

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I suspect in the second photo column 12 arrow 1 is either die deterioration or is a part of the design seeing as it can seen on 99% of the pennies you look at. What I am looking at is in the third photo; which looks like a falling column. I am wondering if this could be a die scratch, more die deterioration or some thing else I didn't think of?

Thank you as always for your input
DScoins

[Paul]

In picture #3, arrow #1,.......
Is the line raised or incuse ??
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The line between column 11 and 10 (arrow 1) is raised, and does not show any sign of it breaking the sides of either column. It appears like it comes out from behind column 11 and again it appears to go under column 10, not showing any type damage to the columns and is visible to the naked eye.


thanks for your option as always

DScoins

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Something else I noticed that I missed on this coin. On the new photo posted below is a line that comes off top of the stairs really close to the bottom right of column 10. I hadn't seen this before. When I spotted it, I found that it matched up with the very faint line coming from column 10 to column 9. Although the line between column 10 and 9 is faint it runs parallel to arrow 1 in photo 3. I hope I haven't confused you to much (my head is spinning just trying to read it back to myself)

As always I apricate your opinions
DScoins

[Daniel]

Looks like clash marks.

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You may be 100% correct Daniel. Then my next question would be, what part of the Obverse side lines up with the clash? I thought about that, but couldn't match it up.


Thanks as always
DScoins

[Paul]

I DO NOT hugeeyes a clash here.............

Of course, I would need to see this myself to be 100% certain here....
????? Die scratch, Feeder finger mark ........???

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Paul
If you want to look as it, I would be more than happy to send it to you. If nothing else I may learn some thing that I didn't know before; be it a error coin or nothing at all. What my biggest curiosity is about how both lines between column 10 and 11 are at the same angle and do not appear to show any damage to either column


Thanks, and as always I really do appreciate all opinions'
DScoins

[Daniel]

I was think this was part of Lincoln's cloak, should have used the overlay. I answered too fast.

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Daniel. That was my first guess (die clash), but couldn't match it up with any thing on the Obverse. Then I had the craziest notion of a approximately 120 Deg. rotated reverse clash on another reveres die. I know that sounds outlandish and absolutely the dumbest thing I could of thought of. I had a really good laugh at myself when I thought about the latter

Thanks every, believe or not this is really helping me learn, and I honestly appreciate it!
DScoins

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I would like to thank Paul for taking up some of his precis time to look at this coin. When I say precis time I mean that, and am thankful. Now for the official finding.
It is some very light die scratches. I would like to know what magnification he used to see them, that way I won't make the same mistake again.


One last time I sincerely thank Paul for his time.

DScoins

[Paul]

hugeeyes

[Jsul77798]

To me they look to be die scrapes. As yall have been saying clash marks line up with the obv image. Ive come across multiple examples of these and have called them scrapes or gouges, die damage either way. Error ref has some nice pics as do a few other sources. Please though, if I am totally wrong about this Id be really intetested as I thought I knew whst they were. Either way, great find!!!!

[Paul]

Keep in mind, that "resolution", is more important than magnification. I am also using a $1000 close-up search microscope here.

:eureka:
I would call these small marks within the columns of the memorial insignificant die scratches.

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Paul
If You don't mind, could you please let me know what type of microscope you are using? That way I can start saving my cents (pun intended) to get one similar.



Thanks
DScoins

[Paul]

I use the "Dino-lite Premiere", 5 megapixel.......
on a stand with the flexible arm.

[Daniel]

I don't use any of that myself. I have a 17x hand magnifier and see all I need to see on a coin.

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Thank you both.

DScoins

[Paul]

Keep in mind Daniel, I only have one hand.

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Paul
I can some what know how it is. In 2014 I had what is called a Brain Stem Stroke and of course it affected my right side, and being right handed and not being able to use it. Trying to learn how to use my left is really frustrating.



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[MeDuSa]

Hi, you know, I noticed that from the years 1980-1989
1989 is a year with thousands of errors,
I am not focused on those errors,
for me, who I do not know much about this details ,
it is exhausting, but i think that its very notory... I suppose that the patterns must be clear to a expert.

[Daniel]

Not thousands, just minor anomalies from die deterioration and what not, very common and not worthy of noting. Look for doubled dies and such. Listed doubled dies.

[MeDuSa]

Well, that's what I tried to say, but gently.
For me when talking about thousands of coins it is like referring to common currencies
no more than the nominal value.

And... when I say " gently "
I do not do more than refer to your safety vs my insecurity for maybe saying some what can, bad inform.

[DSCoins]

Not thousands, just minor anomalies from die deterioration and what not, very common and not worthy of noting. Look for doubled dies and such. Listed doubled dies.

MeDuSa

I'm not sure where you are using to check you coins for doubled dies, or for other types errors. What I have found what works for me. I open PCSG's price listing. As I search the rolls I will of course take my wheat cents and pull them out. I have some aluminum bread pans. They are labeled xxx0-xxx9 along with 2xxx. When I'm done and have completed searching I will take one further step, I will short them by year. I do not open Copper Coins, Variety Vista or Wexler's Doubled Dies. I will us PCSG's price guide to check what they list as a doubled die for that year. Copper Coins and some of the other sites list errors and doubled dies which are basically a waste to look for. What would like to find, a 25C doubled die or error or something a lot more valuable? Personally I would like to find something listed on the PCGS price guide, then having to up 8 pages for very minor and not worth your time. This is just my way of roll searching.


Thanks
DScoins

[MeDuSa]

Thanks a lot DScoins
A bit similar as I do, I usually use the wexler page, it explains in detail each piece that you are looking for. and he didn't really look for any particular piece, I'm here thanks to a depreciation that happened 4 years ago, numismatic is without a doubt the best therapy that we could find apart from streamlining your mind and basically help the vocabulary.
I was impressed by the details cradled in the Lincoln memorial,
for example the face of the 1969 penny is one of the most impressive because it seems that the scratches that go to date, the eye, the eyebrow and the Lincoln's lip makes it even more special to me,
And similar 1970s but the scratches go from the eye. now my intention is actually to sell so they get into the right hands.