2007-P Washington Dollar Elongated Ray

[USSID18]

Has anyone (to your knowledge) ever actually seen, validated or attributed one of these? Thanks.

[Paul]

I saw a raw one of these go for a crazy ridiculous price years ago and auction that I personally attended.
The entire crowd gasped when the bidding was over.

[USSID18]

I saw a raw one of these go for a crazy ridiculous price years ago and auction that I personally attended.
The entire crowd gasped when the bidding was over.

Thanks for the feedback Paul.

So they must be out there. I wonder if any have been attributed and slabbed?

[Paul]

I just "Briefly" research this ...... as to the 'ATTRIBUTION' aspect.

From what I found, the "Uncertainty" of this actual 'Longer Ray' still has too much speculation.
I'm not sure that you would actually call it a "Variety", so to speak....... because, there's not enough evidence to classify it as that.

Now, to add to my previous comment regarding the one sold at auction......
I never put a loupe to it, I just looked at its overall general condition, and didn't consider bidding on it.
I have not researched this exact phenomenon, and am not aware of any premium that may carry.

As with all varieties, individuals will need to review the list of varieties the actual TPG's validate, and if it's not on their list, call them

[USSID18]

Got it, thanks.

Maybe it's time to call in the big guns. Folks like Dr. Wiles, Fred Weinberg, Mike Diamond, Wexler and Daniel for their opinions.

[USSID18]

Here's the coin I'm referencing.

[USSID18]

I saw a raw one of these go for a crazy ridiculous price years ago and auction that I personally attended.
The entire crowd gasped when the bidding was over.

That could be a good sign. Do you recall the winning bid?

[USSID18]

I just "Briefly" research this ...... as to the 'ATTRIBUTION' aspect.

From what I found, the "Uncertainty" of this actual 'Longer Ray' still has too much speculation.
I'm not sure that you would actually call it a "Variety", so to speak....... because, there's not enough evidence to classify it as that.

Now, to add to my previous comment regarding the one sold at auction......
I never put a loupe to it, I just looked at its overall general condition, and didn't consider bidding on it.
I have not researched this exact phenomenon, and am not aware of any premium that may carry.

As with all varieties, individuals will need to review the list of varieties the actual TPG's validate, and if it's not on their list, call them

Paul-

Since you are the WI State Representative for CONECA, do you have access to the examination page on their website?

[Paul]

Is this what you're asking about?

LINK

[Paul]

I saw a raw one of these go for a crazy ridiculous price years ago and auction that I personally attended.
The entire crowd gasped when the bidding was over.

That could be a good sign. Do you recall the winning bid?

I recall it being around $100........ but the owner of the coin was bidding up/bidding against the buyer

[USSID18]

Is this what you're asking about?

LINK

Well, close. I should have been more specific. Do you have access to the page of coins that have been submitted for examination? Another words, can you actually see all the coins that have been submitted for examination?

[Paul]

Me, personally, no.
....... and I would take an educated guess, that it is in the thousands now........ due to the prolific use of microscopes and non-education

..... I'll try to search this for you but can't give any guarantees

[USSID18]

Thousands??.... Great.....that's not good!!!

Thanks for looking into it. I know there are on guarantees. I'm just trying to learn the process and the right points of contact. I'm sure the process takes time. Just want the right eyeballs on it, without falling into a black hole. I know the guys doing the attributions, confirmations and designations are volunteers.

At this point, I think I've done all I can do. I think it's headed in the right direction.

I'm not being critical but can I ask you a question? As the WI State Representative for CONECA, can I ask exactly what you do or what your responsibilities are? Thanks!

[Paul]

Certainly,
I can tell by your photo that this is the "Elongated Ray" reverse… As they call it.....
Now is this considered a "Variety"?, I don't believe there's enough information out there to determine that.
Is it considered "Special", I'm not so sure… As this does not look like a "Alteration" to the standard reverse die, or should I say… An "Unintentional" outcome for that particular anvil die.

As you may be aware, people from this website send me coins all the time, & I "Verify/Attribute" what they have…
More often than not (about 99% of the time) they are not a
"Listed Or Unlisted/New Variety"… Just a "Anomaly"… As they are using their new microscopes and have no idea what they're doing. That's kinda why am against microscopes in the hands of non-seasoned professionals.

As for guarantees, I'm not afraid to give them. But I need "Coin in Hand".

They have an extensive list of duties for the State Representatives, & would be much easier to have you go to their website, and read what they have there.…… Or I would be here all night typing.

Anyhoo, I will dive into this further in my free time, and keep you updated.

[USSID18]

Thanks for that detailed explanation. I appreciate that. Makes perfect sense. I really wasn't aware that folks were sending you coins "directly" for attribution. So they send coins after making contact with you on this website?.....not going thru the CONECA website?

Thanks for your help, latching on to this one and adding any additional value to the process.

[Paul]

I should clarify that.
People don't just automatically send me coins…
And I understand that you are trying to get in trouble with CONECA, which is your prerogative…

After posting requested images, and answering numerous questions that I have for them, I may ask to take a look at their coin for them, before continuing any further....... as I do not charge a "Fee" ...... as a favor to Daniel for the members on this site

I will usually make a post asking "Can I See That Coin?", Or something like "I'd like to take a look at that coin personally if it's okay with you?"

As you should have seen by now, the vast number of individuals that have purchased USB microscopes, are sending their coins off to be attributed is "Errors" with the TPG's… And are throwing away good money.

As I have mentioned numerous times before, it is a VERY RARE occurrence that someone actually finds a "Error Coin" that has any value for encapsulation.

[CoinPyro]

I should clarify that.
As I have mentioned numerous times before, it is a VERY RARE occurrence that someone actually finds a "Error Coin" that has any value for encapsulation.

I feel like this makes total sense, though. If this wasn't a rare thing, there wouldn't be as much of a hobby around coin collecting and certainly not as big an obsession with finding the most unique coins out there. There wouldn't be tens, hundreds, even thousands of dollars on the line for these errors on coins that may be worth not even a thousandth their selling price.

This is pretty much how I justify the disappointment of coin searching to myself, at least.

[USSID18]

I should clarify that.
And I understand that you are trying to get in trouble with CONECA, which is your prerogative…

What??

[Paul]

I should clarify that.
As I have mentioned numerous times before, it is a VERY RARE occurrence that someone actually finds a "Error Coin" that has any value for encapsulation.

I feel like this makes total sense, though. If this wasn't a rare thing, there wouldn't be as much of a hobby around coin collecting and certainly not as big an obsession with finding the most unique coins out there. There wouldn't be tens, hundreds, even thousands of dollars on the line for these errors on coins that may be worth not even a thousandth their selling price.

This is pretty much how I justify the disappointment of coin searching to myself, at least.

You're actually spot on here.
Unfortunately "GREED" is the compelling issue for all of the individuals looking hit the proverbial "Jackpot!". I see it 24/7 365.

You most likely would fall out of your chair, if you knew the amount of people who have entire collections of "Face Value" coins,… That they are convinced are so-called "Rare and Scarce Errors".… Including the "One-Of-A-Kind" $1 million coin!

This is the main reason why I do not give lengthy, long-winded, detailed explanations for the majority of the questions asked here. I am more than happy to help out, as I will lead them in the direction to find and learn the answer themselves.

[USSID18]

That's funny! I've asking myself the same question for years and years!!

QUESTION: How do I know a coin is not rare, scarce or significant??..... ANSWER: It's in my collection!!

[Paul]

Has anyone (to your knowledge) ever actually seen, validated or attributed one of these? Thanks.

I'm assuming you read this?

LINK

[USSID18]

I should clarify that.
And I understand that you are trying to get in trouble with CONECA, which is your prerogative…

What? Can you explain this comment?

[USSID18]

Has anyone (to your knowledge) ever actually seen, validated or attributed one of these? Thanks.

I'm assuming you read this?

LINK

Yes I did. Did you read my above posts?

[USSID18]

I should clarify that.
And I understand that you are trying to get in trouble with CONECA, which is your prerogative…

What? Can you explain this comment?

I guess not!

[USSID18]

Daniel-

You mention "Here, we don't attribute discovery coins, that's what the experts at CONECA's website do, but that is a near impossible market to crack."

Can you recommend any other additional paths this coin might take?

[Paul]

Unfortunately, you do not have a "DISCOVERY COIN",… As you can find them all over the Internet already

[USSID18]

You said:

From what I found, the "Uncertainty" of this actual 'Longer Ray' still has too much speculation. I'm not sure that you would actually call it a "Variety", so to speak....... because, there's not enough evidence to classify it as that. You're not sure about a lot!

Unfortunately, you do not have a "DISCOVERY COIN",… As you can find them all over the Internet already.

So you saw ONE and there's not enough evidence to classify it and you can find them ALL OVER the internet.......... So which is it? Aren't "YOU" the expert? I see your resume' of titles listed on your avatar and signature block!

I also never asked or suggested it was a "DISCOVERY COIN" But you say it's not a "DISCOVERY COIN"....Why?.. because it hasn't been discovered yet? Then why are they all over the internet?

If their all over the internet, don't show me all of them.........just show me "two" that have been attributed and slabbed.

So, you're actually a Master Die Variety Examiner? I guess these pictures weren't good enough (as usual) for you to examine.

It's also very disappointing that you would make a derogatory statement about someone and don't have the guts or integrity to back it up. In my world you would be fired, demoted or disciplined for that action!

[Daniel]

USSID18, I read all of these comments here and Paul was nothing but helpful to you and took way more time than I would explaining this to you. I don't understand the "trouble" comment other than it was a typo, not sure why he hasn't responded to that other than he's not focused on that comment. It wasn't derogatory.

You seem to be one that has been empowered by some complainers here. Even you, since you didn't even know how to PM or email me made two off topic posts about your personal PM box. I was trying to fix it and you just kept doing your thing. And you think that is okay to do, then you do this, then you start posting negative things in other topics.

You're a new guy. I founded this in 2009 and many, many people have left and complained over the years, it happens to ALL forums and online communities. It doesn't mean you're correct or anyone else is. It's just that there's no way to please everyone, and for every complainer there's 10 more that do understand and get it. It's obvious you do not. You're starting drama that I have to deal with and I will end it if it continues. Send a PM or email if you have an issue with someone.