1977-D 50C Kennedy Half Dollar

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Demon · #1 Unread post by **Demon** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:47 am

Is this a DDO????

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SensibleSal66 · Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:58 am

Hello and Welcome ! I think what we are seeing is some kind a glue or adhesive remnants . Maybe someone messing around with another coin and this one ? I may be totally wrong though .

Daniel · #3 Unread post by **Daniel** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:12 am

I agree there's something on this coin, it's not a doubled die for certain.

Paul · #4 Unread post by **Paul** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:14 am

Clear foreign substance on the surface of this coin?

Demon · #5 Unread post by **Demon** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:48 pm

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No foreign substances are on this coin’s Obverse or reverse So what could of cause the doubled face you see on this coin’s obverse???? Clearly the split forehead and double chin can be seen in the photo. Thank you for taking the time and looking at this coin.

Earle42 · #6 Unread post by **Earle42** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:42 pm

Sorry but I cannot see the doubling wth the pics provided. However, it is not uncommon to find machine doubling on coins, and the larger the coin, the more prevalent and likely to find it. Kennedy halves are notorious for machine doubling.

Check yours against the graphics I have incuded below

Also, there is no known actual doubled die profile for the 1977-D DDO. It is the date on this year and MM that is doubled, not the profile. Go to varietyvista.com and find the Kennedy section of DDOs for pics to see and compare also.

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DSCoins · #7 Unread post by **DSCoins** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:10 pm

Demon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:48 pm No foreign substances are on this coin’s Obverse or reverse So what could of cause the doubled face you see on this coin’s obverse???? Clearly the split forehead and double chin can be seen in the photo. Thank you for taking the time and looking at this coin.

It is a clear foreign substance on the Obverse of your coin. Look at the Black arrows I posted onto your coin.

Demon · #8 Unread post by **Demon** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:46 pm

Stains of some kind that’s what the black arrows are pointing at…. Stains aside what about the doubling on the obverse…. The double chin and split forehead. Thank you for your patience and input….

DSCoins · #9 Unread post by **DSCoins** » Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:51 pm

Simple no matter how you spin it, It is not a Doubled Die- It is all PMD

Demon · #10 Unread post by **Demon** » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:15 pm

Ok it’s not a DDO… the stains are what some people call milk stains had to go back and watch Daniels YouTube video to get the words to describe what is believed to be a foreign substance on this coin all that aside why is the forehead split and the double chin what caused that???? Thank you for your patience…. and time your input is valued and appreciated.

Earle42 · #11 Unread post by **Earle42** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:25 pm

Did you look at the graphics about MD I posted?

Closer and in focus pictures needed to verify if it is MD, but this is most likely what it will be.

If we cannot see the forehead and chin, we cannot evaluate if it is PMD or MD or?

DSCoins · #12 Unread post by **DSCoins** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:36 pm

Do you know what a Milk Stain is? Do you what types of coins are subject to Milk stains? This not a milk stain. Milk stains accrue on modern Silver Coins. You coin is not silver.

Earle42 · #13 Unread post by **Earle42** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:25 pm

i want to offer some really good help here as an aside. You have spent a lot of time over this coin trying to figure it out. If you go to error-ref.com, you will find the way to ID all the different types of collectable errors there are. It will save you a lot of time in the ling run. If you think a coin is a specific error, then look it up there b/c the answers likely will be there with pictures etc. to help.

Demon · #14 Unread post by **Demon** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:02 pm

Thank you again but I’ve found no 50C coin with a double profile at error ref or On HA auction I have gone through these sources and is y I’m here my next step is to send it to Wexler or conaca…. Though I’m hesitant because if you guys can’t see the double profile on the obverse then what are the chances the high ups will see it…. Again your patience is appreciated it and you insight has been valuable…. Godspeed

Demon · #15 Unread post by **Demon** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:10 pm

DSCoins wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:36 pm Do you know what a Milk Stain is? Do you what types of coins are subject to Milk stains? This not a milk stain. Milk stains accrue on modern Silver Coins. You coin is not silver.

they are not actual milk stains I said they are like
Any who thank you again and I know the coin is not silver never said it was and if you though I was trying to imply that I was not. Again thank you for your insight and Godspeed

Earle42 · #16 Unread post by **Earle42** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:35 pm

Though I’m hesitant because if you guys can’t see the double profile on the obverse then what are the chances the high ups will see it….

No way of getting clear close up pics?

Daniel · #17 Unread post by **Daniel** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:16 pm

It's not a double profile, this is not how a doubled die looks. The coin has a clear substance on it so it is damaged.

Demon · #18 Unread post by **Demon** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:34 am

Daniel if this coin had any type of clear substance on it I wouldn’t have posted it what you believe to be a clear substance is not on the surface of the coin it is part of the coin’s surface I have checked the resources provided by everyone here nothing matches all I want to know is how the profile got the way it got weather it was caused by a doubled die or machine doubling and I can’t remember the other worthless doubling I read on wexler website Anywho nobody so far can get passed the clear substance look this coin has on it’s surface again I’m positive that there are no clear substance on this coin’s obverse or reverse also I’ve exhausted all cut and paste links and resources provided in this forum no match

SensibleSal66 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:02 am

What would you think if the shoe was on the other foot ? You asked our opinion and the experts have spoken . It's PMD like the others have said . Thanks and enjoy your day ! : )

Earle42 · #20 Unread post by **Earle42** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:22 pm

No way of getting clear close up pics?

I was past the issue you mentioned and would like to be able to see the doubling you see in hand.

Try to get a pic where when it is zoomed will allow us to see the nature of what you are asking about the doubling.

Demon · #21 Unread post by **Demon** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:27 pm

Ok I’m working on better pics thank you for your patience again thank you

Daniel · #22 Unread post by **Daniel** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:57 pm

This is a clear substance on this coin an nail polish remover or acetone would prove this.

Demon · #23 Unread post by **Demon** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:11 pm

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This is as close of a close up I can get GODSPEED

Demon · #24 Unread post by **Demon** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:13 pm

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As close as I can get GODSPEED

Demon · #25 Unread post by **Demon** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:16 pm

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Thank you for your time and advice it’s really appreciated GODSPEED

Daniel · #26 Unread post by **Daniel** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:23 pm

If you can't see from this that the coin has a substance or had a substance that was removed from the coin and left a stain, then I don't know what to tell you. This is NOT US mint made error or variety coin.

Demon · #27 Unread post by **Demon** » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:47 am

So from what I’m understanding from you is that what ever was on the coin’s surface caused the metal to rise and separate from the original coins design thus giving it the appears of doubling correct ok cool that’s all I wanted to know was how the metal separated from the original profile on the coin thank you for your help I hope I understood you correctly so am I only to be posting known varieties here well I’m sure you’ll clarify again thank you for YOUR info GODSPEED

Earle42 · #28 Unread post by **Earle42** » Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:22 pm

NOW I think I understand what you are looking at:

This is not a form of doubling (please see error-ref.com and search for doubled die) which, I hope, makes it clearer why I was not able to see what you called "obvious doubling" before.

Typically a mark like this is PMD where a part of the design was flattened from a blow/hit. That should leave a corresponding area on the REV exactly opposite the damage where the REV design would be flattened. I am not seeing this in the pictures (lighting?).

If I had to make a GUESS, I still would think it some sort of PMD.

And the "ring" you see is just a stain, not another coin's outline. We see this a lot.

Waiting for others to chime in. IMO, In hand inspection would help. But see if Paul chimes in. He would be the one to send it to.

But do NOT send it to a slabbing company. They do NOT try to determine what type of error a coins is - this is a huge misconception. You would get back a graded coin, being out the money, wondering why they only slabbed it.

Demon · #29 Unread post by **Demon** » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:19 am

Yes yes thank you you see it yes now a quick update on this today I was just beyond myself how no one could see the double profile so I took it to a local coin shop and he saw it right away mumbled something about I don’t think this is even catalogued and I’m just saying at no time during our conversation about this coin and while he handled it out of its plastic holder did he say anything about a substance on the coins obverse or reverse No foreign substance so I asked is this PMD He CHUCKLED and said no this is from the mint long story short he has my number and we’ll see what happens from he thank you so much for your patience I’m just beyond myself you have no idea and let me share this with you I have a bag of these coins that show this kind of doubled profile not as dramatic as this one I posted here but doubled all the same another difference between them is the years this one is from 1977-D 50C these other coins are also Kennedy halves but there year is 2021-(D) (P) Kennedy halves could they be related even though theirs what 40 some year between the two coins? GODSPEED

Demon · #30 Unread post by **Demon** » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:20 am

And yup grading companies only slab grab the money and run lol

Daniel · #31 Unread post by **Daniel** » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:17 pm

I stand by everything I said, maybe the substance was already removed and this is the outline stain. Either way, the coin had something on it. And until you have someone other than a dealers opinion than that is all you have. I am sorry but I am afraid you're heading for a disappointment, but you want this to be something and what I say isn't going to be heeded.

Demon · #32 Unread post by **Demon** » Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:12 pm

Thanks Daniel

Demon · #33 Unread post by **Demon** » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:23 pm

I don’t know if Paul ever said anything and if he did I don’t see it. Sometimes I think I’m not using the site right. I’m still getting up to speed on all this technology. So if I’m missing it please tell me. Thank you guys so much. Godspeed.

JTCC · #34 Unread post by **JTCC** » Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:53 pm

It’s clear at this point that this coin is just damaged, as being told by many, including Daniel.

DSCoins · #35 Unread post by **DSCoins** » Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:27 pm

Demon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:23 pm I don’t know if Paul ever said anything and if he did I don’t see it. Sometimes I think I’m not using the site right. I’m still getting up to speed on all this technology. So if I’m missing it please tell me. Thank you guys so much. Godspeed.

Just another case of you telling everyone they are wrong, and you are right. See the pattern I spoke of in another post.

Demon · #36 Unread post by **Demon** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:08 pm

Earle42 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:22 pm NOW I think I understand what you are looking at:

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This is not a form of doubling (please see error-ref.com and search for doubled die) which, I hope, makes it clearer why I was not able to see what you called "obvious doubling" before.

Typically a mark like this is PMD where a part of the design was flattened from a blow/hit. That should leave a corresponding area on the REV exactly opposite the damage where the REV design would be flattened. I am not seeing this in the pictures (lighting?).

If I had to make a GUESS, I still would think it some sort of PMD.

And the "ring" you see is just a stain, not another coin's outline. We see this a lot.

Waiting for others to chime in. IMO, In hand inspection would help. But see if Paul chimes in. He would be the one to send it to.

But do NOT send it to a slabbing company. They do NOT try to determine what type of error a coins is - this is a huge misconception. You would get back a graded coin, being out the money, wondering why they only slabbed it.

Demon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:23 pm I don’t know if Paul ever said anything and if he did I don’t see it. Sometimes I think I’m not using the site right. I’m still getting up to speed on all this technology. So if I’m missing it please tell me. Thank you guys so much. Godspeed.

DSCoins wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:27 pm
Demon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:23 pm I don’t know if Paul ever said anything and if he did I don’t see it. Sometimes I think I’m not using the site right. I’m still getting up to speed on all this technology. So if I’m missing it please tell me. Thank you guys so much. Godspeed.
Just another case of you telling everyone they are wrong, and you are right. See the pattern I spoke of in another post.

I’m asking if Paul ever replied to a post???? How? Do you get I’m telling everyone they are wrong and I’m right, from this question???? I don’t get it???? I’m mean I’m wrong if that helps you. And I’ve agreed with you guys that it’s not a ddo and yes I’m wrong on the terminology I used when posting this post and yes I didn’t use the correct terms to describe my coin and yes I’m wrong about everything I though was a ddo. So if this helps you help me knowing that I’m the one wrong ok then I’m wrong. Now can you tell me if Paul ever chimed in on the post. Thank you. One more for the record. I’m wrong not you guys. Godspeed

Paul · #37 Unread post by **Paul** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:05 pm

Does anyone ever wonder why I DO NOT respond to certain posts?
Just take a minute, ............... and think about it

Demon · #38 Unread post by **Demon** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:00 pm

Ok there’s Paul’s reply. That’s All I wanted to know. And now I know in the future if you don’t respond then it’s nothing worth pursuing. Now that we all agree these post of these coins are not errors or varieties why are they still up? Can you guys take them down? Thank you guys again. Godspeed.

Paul · #39 Unread post by **Paul** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:25 pm

All posts should remain for educational purposes

Not responding to a post, does not mean the item in question is not worth pursuing

CoinPyro · #40 Unread post by **CoinPyro** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:26 pm

Demon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:00 pm ...why are they still up? Can you guys take them down? Thank you guys again. Godspeed.

My understanding of this is these threads are left open so that other coin enthusiasts/collectors can look through examples of what is and is NOT an error, variety, etc. It's meant to be an educational forum, not only for those involved in the thread, but also for future visitors to the site as a way to "learn before they post." This (in theory) reduces repeat posting, at least for the same coin/year, and doesn't waste as many peoples' time on the same issue(s).

As I've seen a million times with Doubled Dies and people posting coins in the introductions, this isn't really how it works in practice, but hey... we try.