2013 Ohio Perry's Victory state park Quarter Error

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2013 Ohio Perry's Victory state park Quarter Error

#1 Unread post by tim.wilt »

:confused: ok so I'm a cashier and a million Quarter's have been through my hands. This one... idk? It seems to have universal scratches on the planet before strike, as well being grey to almost platinum color. With a large die crack running vertical on left side of monument on back of Quarter. I have heard all the other errors on the newer state quarter's... any idea of value here?
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Re: 2013 Ohio Perry's Victory state park Quarter Error

#2 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Welcome to the forum. I believe you might have what is called a trail die. I'm not real familiar with trail dies but here are some links.
Lincoln trail dies at "Traildies.com"
And another for Quarters-
http://www.traildies.com/2000-2020p_25_ ... ils_pg__2/

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#3 Unread post by mhonzell »

When I see lines like this, I first jump at the idea of the dies being heavily polished leaving these lines. But, when the lines are on both the front and back, and crossing devices, you have to remember that the two dies are separate and not likely polished in the same exact manner.
Die polishing does not cross over devices.
Die polishing does not cross over devices.
Die polish lines should be raised. Cleaning will be incuse.

So, what I notice next is that the lines are straight, but opposite (front and back direction) due to flipping the coin over for imaging. Meaning that they actually travel in the same direction if you could look "through" the coin. This indicates an error with the planchet before it was struck, such as roller marks when the sheet of metal was positioned for cutting.
See how lines go in opposite directions, but same if looking through coin.
See how lines go in opposite directions, but same if looking through coin.
While interesting, I don't think this brings any premium to the coin.

roller marks: Term to describe the mostly parallel incuse lines seen on some coins after striking. These were originally thought to be lines resulting from debris “scoring” the metal strips before the blanks were cut. However, new research has pointed to the final step of strip preparation, the draw bar. To reduce the strips to proper thickness, the final step was to pass them through the draw bar. It certainly seems logical that debris in the draw bar may cause these lines, if so, then draw-bar marks or lines would be a more appropriate term.
If parallel lines were only on the reverse and cross devices, then this may have been Feeder Finger damage... where the feeder finger scrapes across the anvil die.
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Thank you! This helps a little, it also has die cracks, some scratches go under some over... This is strange?

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#5 Unread post by Daniel »

Roller marks is possible but could be improper alloy mixture as well, but would need to see more images and other directions.

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#6 Unread post by mhonzell »

I thought improperly annealed resulted in migration of the two metals, typically the copper coming to the top and resulting in discoloration (copperish or black.) (There are a lot of errors I still have to look up.) I did not think it left stripes. But, after Daniel's comment, I looked it up and there it stated it can be either streaked or mottled. Streaks seem to be more prominent in wheat cents and bronze/brass coins where the metals do not mix properly, but rare in the nickel/copper alloys where the copper migrates to the surface.
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#7 Unread post by Daniel »

I didn't mention anything about annealing.

I am talking abut improper alloy mixture of the alloy before it's a blank.

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A little doubling "E pluribus unum"
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can i see some more pics of these areas plz?
with different angles / lighting
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Hope these are of use. Your ideas please...
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ty for the extra pics.
keep in mind, this is a attribution based upon images alone....

what i hugeeyes :
the 'lines', as m stated, are congruent from obverse to reverse
these 'lines' are visible 'up on' the major devices

so, with those two things, i would rule out any "die polishing" or "feeder finger" die scraping....
leaving me to believe that the 'pre-strike' planchet was impaired with these lines.
with the process that a raw planchet undergoes prior to the 'hit' in the press, some mechanical operation of it's journey, imparted these 'lines' into/upon the blank. with the 'straightness' of these lines, it may well be a 'conveyor issue' ??

as for the 'color'....if you look up behind the head on the obverse at K2, does it appear to have some residual cladding spots, where they look like un-evenly shaped 'splotches' ??
as this may be a coin that was soaked, or sat in something to discolor it....or erode the cladding
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#12 Unread post by Daniel »

The thing is; if the lines are not raised then it would not be mechanical mint damage, and would be something wrong with the alloy mix and that alone could result in the color being "different". I would like to know more about this coin myself.

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Hello, I have a Perry's victory 2013 coin that I'm thinking may be worth something. But does any one know the best way to clean a quarter?
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are these "heavier", or more noticeable 'lines' you see, "RAISED" up off the surface ... ?
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DLopez wrote:Hello, I have a Perry's victory 2013 coin that I'm thinking may be worth something. But does any one know the best way to clean a quarter?
This is environmental damage and was either found outside after being there a while or stored in a car's cup holder that experiences moisture and sodium.

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I have a Perry's Victory Coin looks to be some errors . Could anyone help me out
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Keep in mind that new questions should be posted on a new thread.

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Can you please describe what you are seeing, and mark your photos with what you are inquiring about? Please.
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#18 Unread post by Daniel »

It looks like a circulated coin with circulation issues which is considered post mint damage and doesn't add any value.

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