Jarden Zinc Video on copper plating process. (Includes Burnishing for other Denoms)

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Jarden Zinc Video on copper plating process. (Includes Burnishing for other Denoms)

#1 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:42 am

Jarden Zinc Video on the copper plating process. (Includes the Burnishing process for other Denominations)
I like Lincoln's so I've been looking for something like this and found it on Jarden Zinc Facebook page of all places. Facebook is everywhere! hugeeyes
Lincoln cents planchets are produced for the mint from an outside source (Jarden Zinc) which also produced the old Ball mason jars.

Jarden Zinc Copper Plating process LINK .

(And there is a small section on the burnishing process for silver or clad.)

Hope you like.



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#2 Unread post by mhonzell » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:06 am

Interesting! Thank you.

Does this makes errors prior to the mint a whole different category? For example: roller marks, missing clad, etc.

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#3 Unread post by Daniel » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:35 pm

In reality they're minting varieties and would still be mint errors since they failed to meet mint standards and tolerances and allowances and the mint didn't catch them before they ended up in collector's hands.

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Re: Jarden Zinc Video on copper plating process. (Includes Burnishing for other Denoms)

#4 Unread post by Paul » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:50 pm

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In reality they're minting varieties and would still be mint errors since they failed to meet mint standards and tolerances and allowances and the mint didn't catch them before they ended up in collector's hands.
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Re: Jarden Zinc Video on copper plating process. (Includes Burnishing for other Denoms)

#5 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:01 pm

Daniel wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:35 pm
In reality they're minting varieties and would still be mint errors since they failed to meet mint standards and tolerances and allowances and the mint didn't catch them before they ended up in collector's hands.
Minting varieties?
I always thought varieties were the result of "issues" with the dies (multiple coins that are the same) and errors the result of most everything else (no two exactly alike and not to be confused with PSD or MD)?


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Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:06 am
Interesting! Thank you.

Does this makes errors prior to the mint a whole different category? For example: roller marks, missing clad, etc.
Probably not a whole different category. But I could see "damaged before plating", or "struck through rolling bars" for an impression left on a planchet from rolling out the zinc into strips.


EDIT: I've been wondering how they managed to plate so many cents at once and keep them from sticking together.

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#6 Unread post by Daniel » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:21 am

"Minting varieties" was coined by Alan Herbert who wrote "The Official Price Guide To Mint Errors". Technically all varieties are mint errors or mistakes as are striking and planchet errors, but seems he coined the phrase to cover them all under an "umbrella".

If you look at a coin as a canvas in an of itself then whatever happens to the coin, and it leaves the mint, then it is an error by the mint. So despite what caused the error if the canvas of the coin is not what the mint intended then they're all technically errors or minting varieties. With the striking and the planchet errors could be considered one of one and unique, but minting varieties nonetheless.

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#7 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:47 am

Thanks Daniel.
I've seen multiple threads on different sites going back and forth about Variety vs. Error.
I'm following a lot of what you're saying but I must be missing something and forgive me if it seems like I'm nit picking. I'm trying to strengthen my understanding.

"....of the coin is not what the mint intended then they're all technically errors or minting varieties."
By this definition though MD would be "Minting varieties"? (Maybe it's just my perception of you paraphrasing Mr. Herbert.)

Right or wrong, maybe internally, I have categorized coins into three groups-
1)Regular Strikes (Business and Proof)

2)Varieties & Minting errors

3)MD or PSD (Even though MD is from the minting process)

Thanks again, Cliff

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#8 Unread post by Paul » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:21 pm

Cliff, don't try to over think this, or make it TOO COMPLICATED,... Because it is very complicated already.


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If I were to classify it, I would say that all would fall into just 2 categories:
"mint processing errors", and "die errors",...
... Where the 'Die Error', would be called the "Variety", and the 'Mint Processing Error', would be called a "Mint Error".

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#9 Unread post by Daniel » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:52 pm

Strike doubling or mechanical doubling is an error or minting variety and it is erroneous to call it machine damage since by that definition anything that goes wrong in the coining chamber would be damage.

Calling strike doubling damage was a weak attempt by certain experts to stop people from confusing them with doubled dies. Just a lazy method of down-playing the mechanical doubling. However mechanical doubling is just as much an error as a double strike, strike through or capped die among the others. It is just that it's hated more because of the confusion it causes and the more dramatic minting varieties are more desirable.

Like I said, the coin is THE canvas and anything that happens to a coin that shouldn't is a mint error or minting variety. We don't classify them as a variety when it happens during the planchet division or striking division, but all of it is something accidental to the coin.

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Re: Jarden Zinc Video on copper plating process. (Includes Burnishing for other Denoms)

#10 Unread post by mhonzell » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:33 pm

Variety: reproducible by die strike.
Error: anything else that results in less than perfect coin leaving the mint


This doesn't mean that an error has any value.

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