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#141 Unread post by Daniel »

I think I like the Washington and the Indian Head tokens the best.

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#142 Unread post by mhonzell »

Well, all I got for Christmas was a token with a rooster and some flowers. lol:
Have to say, my wife out did herself this year!
(The darker copper areas are remaining luster.)

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#143 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Wow! She's a keeper for sure!! :thumbsup: and what a neat 90* (almost perfectly straight) die crack. (I don't think I've ever seen one at a 90* angle.)

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#144 Unread post by mhonzell »

There is actually a third joining them, running towards 8 o'clock. A fourth at 10 o'clock only makes it to the wreath. Amazing that they can meet near the middle and the die still works. (Love the shattered dies. This one is close to being done.)
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The street was actually 39th street. But, the section of street near the harbor was filled with illegal slaughterhouses and garnered the name Abattoir Place. The animals had to be shipped in to Manhattan Island and the city could do nothing to remove these slaughter houses. Foul and rank with draining blood and boiling fat, these slaughter houses were built to provide food to the rapidly growing city of New York. They were illegal because the city would no longer sign permits for new slaughterhouses in an attempt to move them off the island. They rose up anyway in the 1830's and continued to operate into the late 1800s. 34th to 38th street were for beef slaughterhouses and actually had a tunnel built under New York City to allow the cattle to be moved from the southernmost docks up to this area.
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#146 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Nice token. Well struck.
New acquisition?

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#147 Unread post by Daniel »

Always enjoy the history and images of these coins. This topic and thread has almost become a book, well done Mark!

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#148 Unread post by mhonzell »

:l
Speaking of books...

How about the OH995-2a?
Yep, they were not all made in New York. Hailing from Zanesville, Ohio, this token was promoting the local stationery shop. Unlike today, people actually wrote things... by hand.

While several notable people were born and raised here, I specifically recall Zane Grey. My mother collected all his western books. I remember growing up with a bookshelf full of his books. And, yet, I haven't read a single one. I became a Sci-Fi buff (the modern day western.)

(Cliff, they are new acquisitions. Unfortunately, I'm now packed and ready to move to another state to start a new job. So, it may be awhile before the next one.)
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Best of wishes. I can tell you this, they'll be lucky to have you around. You seem to add a lot of input to any group you associate with!! "We'll keep the light on for ya here!" widegrin

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#150 Unread post by Daniel »

Yeah, congrats and the best of wishes from me.

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Here is one of my Spoot tokens.

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Not the Spoot token but a great example of a DIX token.

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Another of my Spoot tokens.

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#154 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Very nice tokens GaryNaples.

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#155 Unread post by Garrynaples »

Thank you

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Nice

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#157 Unread post by mhonzell »

Love the Spoot.
Just makes this coin's message even more dramatic. Nice tokens.
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#158 Unread post by Garrynaples »

Thank you guys. I have more but not as nice photos. The photos are not readily accessible either.

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#159 Unread post by TheCoinGuy »

These coins are awesome, excellent condition. Very nice! The messages on them speak volumes about the people of that time. I agree it would take a tremendous error to increase value of coins of this stature. Was the word Spoot done on purpose? I'm just guessing, but I'd think with condition being the same, it's the more valuable of the two? Very nice rare coins, thanks for sharing them.

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#160 Unread post by Garrynaples »

I believe Spoot is an error. There are a number of specimens available so it is barely scarce. There is another of the DIX tokens that is in demand and that is the 416a, in which the word Shoot is recut.

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As they say on Laugh-In: "Interes-tink, Verrry interes-tink"!

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mhonzell wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:15 am Love the Spoot.
Just makes this coin's message even more dramatic. Nice tokens.
I like your Lindemueller. I'm looking for a nice one.

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#163 Unread post by mhonzell »

Here's one on the lighter side:
NY-10F-1a (Albany, NY)
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Great advertising piece made by the Scovill Manufacturing Company in Waterbury, CT. This company adapted armory mass production techniques to common household items such as buttons, tokens, mats, and medals. They were so good at it, they are still in business today!
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mhonzell wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:40 pm Here's one on the lighter side:
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Great advertising piece made by the Scovill Manufacturing Company in Waterbury, CT. This company adapted armory mass production techniques to common household items such as buttons, tokens, mats, and medals. They were so good at it, they are still in business today!
Man I like the examples you have posted on this thread. Do you find most of these on the "Dark Bay", other auctions or from dealers at shows?
This one is in really nice condition. Can't see any wear on the high points (top of the pachyderms boots, 398 or his ear. And the color is pleasing with minimal spots.

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#165 Unread post by mhonzell »

Actually, I got this one on our Facebook site.
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I remember that one.

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Next to my avatar of Lindenmeuller, I think this one is my next favorite. The PA765J-1a depicts a man of the times enjoying his vice of smoking a pipe. Another great advertising piece and offering the 20 percent discount if you use real US coins to make a purchase... Of course, you'll get tokens for change.

My first store card from Pennsylvania.
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Nice!

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Very appealing color and condition.

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This token emphasizes a couple of misunderstandings about Civil War Tokens:
1. The token was originally identified as having been made in 1860. A search of businesses that existed in Chicago between 1858 and 1866 did not find this one. As such, in 1982 it was no longer grouped with Civil War Tokens, yet it does have a typical Fuld number assigned to it: IL-150AC-1a. It was actually made somewhere between 1872 and 1876. (There are many from Chicago that were originally identified as CWTs, but have since been removed.)
2. Unfortunately, the TPGs are much slower about getting rid of a designation since they've already issued holders with them identified by the original reference. (This one is a raw coin, so it will get filed properly. :-)) This can really throw a kink into the works when someone is trying to research a token.
3. It shows that these tokens continued to be used well after the Civil War.

Interestingly, Harlev didn't come to America until 1857 and lived in Mankato, Minnesota until 1871.
Born as Nicolai Severin Vilhelm Jensen Harlev, he went into business with his brother Christian Johnson from 1872 until 1876. In 1876, he became the sole proprietor of the business and made a new token: IL-150AB-1a, which only has his name. In 1878, he moved to 220 Milwaukee Ave, where his name is recorded as "Harler".

They manufactured their own goods: Hats, caps, clothing, trunks and furnishing goods. They were quite busy... For example: they made four thousand boxes of paper collars each week.
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#172 Unread post by Daniel »

Interesting. I never looked this up.

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Not a rare token at R-2, this PA750E-1a is a little unusual in that the Liberty bust is actually in a cameo state. That's almost unheard of with tokens.
To me, this has a couple of other interesting things:

1. Look at the 'R' in BEIRN.
2. Look at the 'H's in PHILADELPHIA.
3. On the reverse, the engraver actually put his initials under the bust... R. L. (Robert Lovett Jr.) He was known for his presidential campaign buttons of 1864. His workmanship was high quality. Planchets were thick, strikes bold with fine details. However, he was best known for his Confederate Cents, which are currently sold as Bashlow Restrikes.
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#174 Unread post by Daniel »

The finish, strike and state of preservation places this in a better than R-2 category and is a nice all around token.

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mhonzell wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:02 pm .........They manufactured their own goods: Hats, caps, clothing, trunks and furnishing goods. They were quite busy... For example: they made four thousand boxes of paper collars each week.
Can't imagine wearing those collars.
But maybe it helped reduce neck disc injuries by stretching out the neck!! lol:

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mhonzell wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:18 pm Not a rare token at R-2, this PA750E-1a is a little unusual in that the Liberty bust is actually in a cameo state. That's almost unheard of with tokens.
To me, this has a couple of other interesting things:

1. Look at the 'R' in BEIRN.
2. Look at the 'H's in PHILADELPHIA.
3. On the reverse, the engraver actually put his initials under the bust... R. L. (Robert Lovett Jr.) He was known for his presidential campaign buttons of 1864. His workmanship was high quality. Planchets were thick, strikes bold with fine details. However, he was best known for his Confederate Cents, which are currently sold as Bashlow Restrikes.
Thanks Mark. Lots of interesting info here. Do you have any others with the cameo strike?
The R looks like a capital R over small r.
Can't really tell what is under the H's. Do you think the square in the center of the H was to strengthen the punch somehow or was the H applied over some other character? :confused:

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#177 Unread post by mhonzell »

This is actually the first token I have found that I could call cameo. Of course, the reverse is not, so, a TPG would not grade it as such.
The H's seem to have been intentionally made that way. The 'R' appears to be the vestiges of an 'R' that was turned 90 degrees clockwise.
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Neat that you found an R over a horizontal R.
Wonder if there may have been rust on the master bust die from sitting around creating a cameo effect?
Also would they create different dies from separate components?
What I mean is, would there be a die for the bust, a separate die for the words or letters, and a separate die for any "image", etc? They could construct customized dies for clients that way.
Sort of a die buffet! lol:

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(Today, I'm trying a new technique in my photo.)
This is the only token I have where the dies were actually made by the US Mint and has a reeded edge..

While the advertisement says the Great Central Fair, it was actually the Great Central Sanitary Fair. That should make one wonder!
Many of these tokens will have the word "Union" on them. Sometimes alone, others in a phrase such as, "Preserve the Union". All this time, I was under the impression it was in relation to the northern forces. In most cases, it has double meaning: the Union forces and the Republican party (Abraham Lincoln's policies, and their ideology.)
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There were two main groups: Daughters of the Union Veterans and Sons of the Union Veterans. Both represented a group who believed in Fraternity, Charity, and Loyalty. Many of these members eventually became the GAR, or Grand Army of the Republic. Known today as the GOP or Republican Party.

In June 1864, with the war still raging on, Philadelphia, PA put on the greatest fair ever seen. Covering the entirety of Logan Square (now, Logan Circle... go figure) and raising over a million dollars for food, medical supplies, military hospital ships, and rest homes for veterans, this fair was promoted by the Union League of Philadelphia (made up of both Sons and Daughters of the Union Veterans.)

This fair had been conducted one year earlier in Milwaukee with little success. But, it was catching on! Amazingly, Abraham Lincoln was not much for presenting recreation to raise funds leaving him somewhat against the Sanitary Commission. By war's end, the Sanitary Commission raised over fifteen million to take care of the troops.

And the token... well, it was distributed by the Union League at the fair as a souvenir. It is slightly smaller than a dime and recognized as PA750L-1a.
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Nicely done again.
Your images show the detail of Washington's hair very well.

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