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Re: Civil War Tokens
Well, I haven't added to my book in a while, so let me give you one I recently acquired. OH 400A-2a (R4)
The token has a 90 degree rotation from coin alignment on the reverse, making it yet another CWT error coin. I also think this one may have been cleaned somewhere in the past as the surfaces seem a bit muted for the condition.
From the Hillsboro, OH, Hardware, Iron & Nail shop. Sometimes, others tell the history far better... here's a portion of Capt. Kibler's obituary.
The token has a 90 degree rotation from coin alignment on the reverse, making it yet another CWT error coin. I also think this one may have been cleaned somewhere in the past as the surfaces seem a bit muted for the condition.
From the Hillsboro, OH, Hardware, Iron & Nail shop. Sometimes, others tell the history far better... here's a portion of Capt. Kibler's obituary.
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Re: Civil War Tokens
Love that one too.
That anvil on the reverse didn't leave any question about his business working in metal.
That anvil on the reverse didn't leave any question about his business working in metal.
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My most recent acquisition. Not a coin, but it fits nicely with all my Civil War Tokens, complete Indian Head Cent collection, and Civil War Newspapers.
A campaign token for Abraham Lincoln and Hannibal Hamlin. Yep, those are tin photos of each. Known as a ferrotype photo. This was for Lincoln's run for president in 1860, before the Civil War.
A campaign token for Abraham Lincoln and Hannibal Hamlin. Yep, those are tin photos of each. Known as a ferrotype photo. This was for Lincoln's run for president in 1860, before the Civil War.
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Thanks Mark. Absolutely fantastic. So interesting to see something with his image from before he became president.
It amazes me that the tin is still intact after 159 years.
How did you happen to come across this? .... Auction?
It amazes me that the tin is still intact after 159 years.
How did you happen to come across this? .... Auction?
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I follow Steve Hayden. Huge collector of Civil War and Hard Times tokens. He put out a letter that let me know he was selling this.
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Thanks Mark.
I wonder if he upgraded and that was why he was selling? No matter though because it's in good hands now! :thumbsup:
I wonder if he upgraded and that was why he was selling? No matter though because it's in good hands now! :thumbsup:
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So, I'm looking at this campaign "charm" under the scope. I think the reason the photos survived is that they are covered in a shellac. Here's another image. You can see the fine cracks in the surface.
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That is interesting. I almost expected it to be mica, similar to the "encased postage stamps". But it does appear to be a lacquer or coating.
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Okay, here's a weird one...
I have a NY630BV-2a, otherwise known as Story & Southworth. It was sold as a -1a, but hey... maybe they didn't have the books. Neither die used is of much consequence other than it was made by Emil Sigel. As you may have figured out CWTs are tracked by the combination of dies used, or by where it was made. So, NY630BV was made in New York, New York. The individual dies are: Obverse-NY630BV O-2, Reverse-1216. As you have seen their quality control wasn't always up to mint standard. So, on this particular token, if you look closely to the reverse near the date and UNITED, you'll see that the dies clashed hard enough to damage the 1216 die (eagle side). You can just make out the ampersand and Y (from STORY) inside the circle. Funny part is, these die sinkers would mix and match their dies. A while back I posted a patriotic CWT by Emil Sigel that had some odd items on the eagle side, but I couldn't figure out how an ampersand got on the token when one doesn't exist on either die used. You can probably guess the rest of the STORY.
I have a NY630BV-2a, otherwise known as Story & Southworth. It was sold as a -1a, but hey... maybe they didn't have the books. Neither die used is of much consequence other than it was made by Emil Sigel. As you may have figured out CWTs are tracked by the combination of dies used, or by where it was made. So, NY630BV was made in New York, New York. The individual dies are: Obverse-NY630BV O-2, Reverse-1216. As you have seen their quality control wasn't always up to mint standard. So, on this particular token, if you look closely to the reverse near the date and UNITED, you'll see that the dies clashed hard enough to damage the 1216 die (eagle side). You can just make out the ampersand and Y (from STORY) inside the circle. Funny part is, these die sinkers would mix and match their dies. A while back I posted a patriotic CWT by Emil Sigel that had some odd items on the eagle side, but I couldn't figure out how an ampersand got on the token when one doesn't exist on either die used. You can probably guess the rest of the STORY.
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Look at that token above. I originally thought it was struck over another coin, but it turned out to be a die clash with another die not used on the token I was looking at.
I mentioned that those Die Sinkers would go to events and press token images over actual coinage. Just wanted you to know why I was a little confused.
Here's a token pressed over an 1859 Indian Head Cent. Token dies are Indian Princess (die 53) over Our Navy (die 336). Or, F-53/336-do. Made by Charles D. Horter.
I mentioned that those Die Sinkers would go to events and press token images over actual coinage. Just wanted you to know why I was a little confused.
Here's a token pressed over an 1859 Indian Head Cent. Token dies are Indian Princess (die 53) over Our Navy (die 336). Or, F-53/336-do. Made by Charles D. Horter.
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Neat and easy to see the confusion now that it is pointed out.
So at these events (conventions, marketing or sales exhibits), instead of using blanks they would use whatever was handy, even a real IH cent.
Must have tough carrying those "portable" presses from venue to venue!
So at these events (conventions, marketing or sales exhibits), instead of using blanks they would use whatever was handy, even a real IH cent.
Must have tough carrying those "portable" presses from venue to venue!
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