1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
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1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
Picked this one up at an auction. In a SEGS holder at MS 64+. I didn’t pay attention to that, but I did think it would grade mint state. What say you? Interested in opinions.
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Re: 1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
Very Nice Coin !
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Re: 1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
I am wondering what kept the graders down to MS64+ on this one. Of course pictures do not show what a person sees in hand. But I cannot find damage on it.
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Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
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Re: 1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
I am relatively a novice, 1 year under my belt so as JD Clampet use to say, in regards to my opinion, that's about as dumb as putting a milk bucket under a bull. But here goes. First, how shiny is the coin? Through a Bio. microscope cloudy areas are minute scratches. I see shading around many devices on the obverse and some on the Rev. Has the coin been gently cleaned? The date looks as if the hub shifted just a hair. But my first impression and ,yes I'm going expert here, is a MS 67. Although I have to ask and I've never seen anything to imply this but does the age matter of the coin when grading?
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Re: 1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
I'd honestly say 64 at least, but I am no expert. SEGS seems to get the grade relatively right from what I understand, and their coins will sometimes cross into PCGS holders
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Re: 1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
PCGS gave it an UNC details grade as cleaned. I really didn’t see anything that would have led me to believe it was cleaned. Oh well.
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Re: 1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
You cannot rely upon what goes onto a slab like it is gospel truth.
As an example in this same vein, Daniel had a beautiful Walker he sold me that he had come back as cleaned. Neither Daniel nor myself could find anything on this coin that points to it being cleaned, and while Daniel who lives, eats breathes, and sleeps coins for a living has a lot more experience than I do, typically after almost 50 years I don't have a problem telling a cleaned coin in hand.
Someone dealing with tons of slabs, like Daniel, can tell you this type of thing happens more often than people WANT to know when it comes to the grading companies. A lot of people have a lot of money invested in slabs, and so its human nature for them not to want to hear about any fault with the companies.
BTW - I see Paul also chimed in on this one. I would take his word and Daniels anytime over a grading company. Grading companies have to, by design, use different graders with different personal experience levels (just natural to do so when hiring/training people). Therefore some degree of consistency has to occur. They do their best to limit inconsistency using two graders per coin (usually), but its there.
As an example in this same vein, Daniel had a beautiful Walker he sold me that he had come back as cleaned. Neither Daniel nor myself could find anything on this coin that points to it being cleaned, and while Daniel who lives, eats breathes, and sleeps coins for a living has a lot more experience than I do, typically after almost 50 years I don't have a problem telling a cleaned coin in hand.
Someone dealing with tons of slabs, like Daniel, can tell you this type of thing happens more often than people WANT to know when it comes to the grading companies. A lot of people have a lot of money invested in slabs, and so its human nature for them not to want to hear about any fault with the companies.
BTW - I see Paul also chimed in on this one. I would take his word and Daniels anytime over a grading company. Grading companies have to, by design, use different graders with different personal experience levels (just natural to do so when hiring/training people). Therefore some degree of consistency has to occur. They do their best to limit inconsistency using two graders per coin (usually), but its there.
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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Re: 1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
I don't think its cleaned either; you might want to regrade/send to anacs
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Re: 1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
SilverWhisperer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:10 pm PCGS gave it an UNC details grade as cleaned. I really didn’t see anything that would have led me to believe it was cleaned. Oh well.
The absence of any surface accumulations whatsoever
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Re: 1859S Half Dollar Grade my Coin opinion
Appears cleaned. Take notice to the difference in the field coloring between the head and cap compared to the open field on the right. The stars on the right side have halos which is also an indication. Compare the fields around the stars. The left looks good compared to the right side stars. The reverse doesn’t appear to have been disturbed in any ways.. Stunning coin! Enjoy
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