1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
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1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
Good Evening - I recently found a few quarters with DDO FS-101 varieties on them and sent them off to NGC. Just received back today and the 1970 D came back without the variety. I knew the coin had machine roller damage and would come back as a details grade - but for finding in pocket change, paying face value for it, thought it would be a cool and rare variety to get certified. I thought maybe I was seeing something that wasn't there and that's why it didn't get the attribute, but upon getting back today, re-examining it, checking Variety Vista and other graded examples I still think I have the variety.
Wondering if anyone else has had this happen and wondering which direction I should take - send off to ANACS? Just take the loss and have a $50 damaged quarter?
I'll attach some pictures - I know the coin is circulated and worn but the main points I am seeing is the splitting in the middle high point in the W in We, the notching on the top of the 7 in the date, minor notching in the upper left of the 1 in the date, and the upper right point in the Y in LIBERTY.
Love to hear some other thoughts.
Thanks!
Wondering if anyone else has had this happen and wondering which direction I should take - send off to ANACS? Just take the loss and have a $50 damaged quarter?
I'll attach some pictures - I know the coin is circulated and worn but the main points I am seeing is the splitting in the middle high point in the W in We, the notching on the top of the 7 in the date, minor notching in the upper left of the 1 in the date, and the upper right point in the Y in LIBERTY.
Love to hear some other thoughts.
Thanks!
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Re: 1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
If you had asked me before you sent it , I would of said , NO. No evidence of doubling or at least "true doubling" . Too bad you lost money . Live and Learn .
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Re: 1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
I don't know what anybody else is going to tell you, but I do see your variety here, in a circulated later state condition.
It's important that you become familiar with the grading companies and their policies.
The particular company you have chosen, will only attribute this as a variety mintstate condition.
You can look on their website, and they will tell you this with the designation of "MS" in the description of what they will attribute.
You can just label the slab yourself, and show your images to a prospective buyer, if your intention was to sell it.
It's important that you become familiar with the grading companies and their policies.
The particular company you have chosen, will only attribute this as a variety mintstate condition.
You can look on their website, and they will tell you this with the designation of "MS" in the description of what they will attribute.
You can just label the slab yourself, and show your images to a prospective buyer, if your intention was to sell it.
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Re: 1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
@Paul - could you point me to where the company says only MS examples would be attributed. I sent another pre-80s quarter FS-101 in and it came back a straight grade in AU. I've hunted their website, but not finding anything regarding this.
Thanks for the reply and input!
Thanks for the reply and input!
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Re: 1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
I agree with everything Paul said. The DDO is there (very fat letters Sal - not from damage). And as he has said - just put the pics if selling.
If not and you just want it slabbed for your own collection with the label saying its the DDO, then either buy a slab for it yourself and label it as (PCIS) Paul's Coin Identification Service (whom I trust more than PCGS anyway!) or find a company that will label it for you.
Its a shame about the money spent. You can post here for help anytime :)
If not and you just want it slabbed for your own collection with the label saying its the DDO, then either buy a slab for it yourself and label it as (PCIS) Paul's Coin Identification Service (whom I trust more than PCGS anyway!) or find a company that will label it for you.
Its a shame about the money spent. You can post here for help anytime :)
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Re: 1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
Yes, MS in this sense means a business strike but not a coin that must grade MS. Also I am not really seeing the doubled die myself. Coin has been circulated and that could be why the letters look a little "different". I could be wrong but NGC must not have seen it or it's not the die pair they attribute in their holders.
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Re: 1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
Mintstate coins can on occasion come back graded AU....
Does this happen often? No.
I have several mintstate coins graded AU55, & AU58...... they were just not properly stored, or were slightly discolored from some very old light original surface contaminants.
Of course, early die state (EDS) coins are preferred..... As the variety will be very easy to see and distinguishable.
This all comes down to the attributer & grader, ... as they inspect the coin, and decide what to give you.
Does this happen often? No.
I have several mintstate coins graded AU55, & AU58...... they were just not properly stored, or were slightly discolored from some very old light original surface contaminants.
Of course, early die state (EDS) coins are preferred..... As the variety will be very easy to see and distinguishable.
This all comes down to the attributer & grader, ... as they inspect the coin, and decide what to give you.
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Re: 1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
An Update -
Decided to send this off to PCGS to try and get attributed as I was still confident in the coin. I know, probably putting too much time and money into the coin since it is damaged, but hey - its mine .
So here is the result. Still wondering why NGC would not attribute but at least it is now.
Decided to send this off to PCGS to try and get attributed as I was still confident in the coin. I know, probably putting too much time and money into the coin since it is damaged, but hey - its mine .
So here is the result. Still wondering why NGC would not attribute but at least it is now.
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Re: 1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
It's a shame it has the Ring of Death, but at least it's the FS-101 confirmed by PCGS!
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Re: 1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
At least the OP does not mind the ton of cash out into this. The hobby is about fun.
Just my preference, but I would have saved the money and bought an MS walker!
Just my preference, but I would have saved the money and bought an MS walker!
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Re: 1970 D .25 DDO FS-101
So, just "up to the attributer & grader...as they inspect the coin, and decide what to give you"? Does that make PCGS better at attributions or NGC just cherry-picking ones which ones to grade? As I see it a variety is there or it isn't.
As far as then only grading on Mint State (MS) coins as shown on their website I believe that is just their labeling of either business strike or proof struck coins. On every business strike coin variety listed it is labeled as 'MS' on their site and every proof variety listed it's labeled 'PF'.
Earle42, you're correct I probably should've stuck the money into something to further my collection!
Thanks for the feedback while I learn.
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