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1871 indian anomaly

#1 Unread post by doctor01 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:07 pm

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What do you guys think, mint mistake collapsed obvers die.?



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Re: 1871 indian anomaly

#2 Unread post by mhonzell » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:04 pm

The mint could not do this.

Need a photo from an angle for both sides.

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Re: 1871 indian anomaly

#3 Unread post by doctor01 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:47 pm

get it 3-20 same time

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Re: 1871 indian anomaly

#4 Unread post by PALH1 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:36 am

:welcome:

this appears to be "PMD", but a better pic would be nice ...
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Re: 1871 indian anomaly

#5 Unread post by doctor01 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:56 pm

:agree: Thank you for the response,,PMD,Thought so also for years, but in the back of my mind, two questions lingered. On the reverse side the punch side if you will why are the letters almost perfect with no sign of the punch. Second , why is the obverse outie higher than the corresponding depth of the reverse punch indentation. A true punch would be the other way around especially with the wear factor. If the obverse die had an air bubble under the surface, that gave way at just the right time. this would explain both conditions. I would think the dies that were made 7 years after the civil war were probably not state of the art. Don't get me wrong I appreciate all input. Will get you more pictures and measurement this weekend. I had to go thru a ritual to dig the coin out for these pics, More to follow I promise.

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Re: 1871 indian anomaly

#6 Unread post by Daniel » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:24 pm

A die surface can't get air bubbles that burst, a die can break and a chip fall out and then strike a coin, but it would not look like this. I huge chip like this would show evidence of die cracks and be less round. I don't see any evidence that this was a late die stage or state.

The reverse also shows signs of damage as well and that can't be ignored, looks indented a bit on the reverse as well. It is post mint damage but one of those odd ones that doesn't have an easy explanation on the how, but this couldn't happen at the mint. Not like this.

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