Need help with medal i dug up

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Need help with medal i dug up

#1 Unread post by Curtisr1 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:44 am

Heres the both sides
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#2 Unread post by Daniel » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:45 am

It's a bronze Columbus Exposition Medal from 1893, they are a bit rare, but this one was made into a gift or love token. Reverse has been ground down. Of course, I don't know the size of your medal but this is what I see. It's not my image, it came from here for educational purposes http://www.historicalartmedals.com/MEDA ... -BW808.htm
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#3 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:05 pm

Neat medal and evidently some banking history there.
Very similar to the Exposititon Medal but not as nicely struck and there are some differences. One in particular is the Area of South America on the map at the top. The tip is pointing to a different are of the clasped hands.
I think the OP's medal is a knockoff of the Exposition medal and was presented by Bank of America of Italy to the individual at the top.
Presented to A.L. Elliot Ponsford .
"A Ricordo Della Riunione Generale del Personale" literally means "To remember Of General Meeting of Staff"
Milan (Italy) June 2, 1951
Thanks for sharing.
What is the size in mm and the weight in grams?

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#4 Unread post by mhonzell » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:11 pm

Nice catch, Cliff!
North America is too far left and South America is too accurate. On the real one, South America in "shrunk" in the East-West directions and the Baja Peninsula is visible.

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#5 Unread post by Daniel » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:55 pm

I didn't study it that close. Nice job!

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#6 Unread post by Curtisr1 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:48 am

4 inch diam

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#7 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:50 am

WOW! 4" is a large medal. Too bad the Bank didn't present it in GOLD! hugeeyes
mhonzell wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:11 pm
Nice catch, Cliff!
North America is too far left and South America is too accurate. On the real one, South America in "shrunk" in the East-West directions and the Baja Peninsula is visible.
Daniel wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:55 pm
I didn't study it that close. Nice job!
Thanks guys! I love a good mystery.
Also I've learned from everyone here to dig a little deeper when I think I have something figured out.
If it hadn't been for Daniels ID of the design, I would have still be trying to figure out the Italian and what appears to be Roman numerals running just inside the devices below the left side of the bust.
At first I wasn't sure if some of the slight differences and lack of detail I was picking up on was damage/wear until I got to the image of the Americas on the globe at the top.
It was fun to have that "Ahaaaa" moment.
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#8 Unread post by Curtisr1 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:51 am

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Would they put all the markings of a authentic one on a fake and can it still be collectible

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#9 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:09 am

Curtisr1 wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:51 am
20171023_194929.jpgWould they put all the markings of a authentic one on a fake and can it still be collectible
I don't know if it would be considered a counterfeit/fake. The expression "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" comes to mind. Just a very similar design, possibly produced by the same company. To me the fact they put their name on the Bank medal under the bust indicates they were not trying to deceive anyone.
As far a collectability, people collect everything! The value will mostly depend on how many are interested in collecting medals. It might appeal to some one collecting large medals, brass(?), banking related items, paper weights, etc.
Thanks for posting your find.

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Re: Need help with medal i dug up

#10 Unread post by Curtisr1 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:12 am

Thanks for your info

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