Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent

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Re: one more try

#11 Unread post by nicho16 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:13 am

yea thanks for the reply.. I thought that was the case with the "E'' but I still thought there was doubling going on. One of these days Im going to post a pic and ya all are going to agree with my assessment of it.....hopefully

by the way, and maybe its just me but I still like that first coin that looks like Abe is surfing.

thanks again for you help.



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Re: one more try

#12 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:30 pm

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Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:00 am
I think you over-looked my first comments on this subject and images I sent. When you think you have ID'd any variety like a doubled die 99% of the time the die markers will be known and cataloged. If not then it is a knew variety that must be sent to a CONECA or recognized expert so it can be cataloged.

A true doubled feature will be the exact size and shape as the "original" feature on your coin the supposed doubled E is not, it is a plating bubble that is almost the shape of the E's center bar. As you can see it is fatter and and at an angle. The images are not good enough to see the LIBERTY so can't comment much without better images.
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Re: one more try

#13 Unread post by PALH1 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:52 pm

Daniel wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:00 am
I think you over-looked my first comments on this subject and images I sent. When you think you have ID'd any variety like a doubled die 99% of the time the die markers will be known and cataloged. If not then it is a knew variety that must be sent to a CONECA or recognized expert so it can be cataloged.

A true doubled feature will be the exact size and shape as the "original" feature on your coin the supposed doubled E is not, it is a plating bubble that is almost the shape of the E's center bar. As you can see it is fatter and and at an angle. The images are not good enough to see the LIBERTY so can't comment much without better images.
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Re: one more try

#14 Unread post by Jeffreyscott30 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:17 am

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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:15 am
Ok, I don't want to frustrate you but I can only help you by giving you the facts. First, we always need images of the entire coin, front and back. Second, doubled dies are 99% ID'd based on known die markers so a website like coppercoins.com die variety search is a must. Third, this is not a doubled die but plating bubbles.

A doubled die is a coin struck by a die which is doubled and there must be a doubled image on the coin, but not raised areas going across the design. Here's images of what a doubled die looks like. http://coinauctionshelp.com/doubledieminterror.html

Don't give up!
I'm also pretty new to collecting myself, and this comment, as well as your follow up comment were two of the most clear-cut explanations, so I greatly appreciate it! Whenever I find something "suspicious" looking, I typically always go straight to Wexler's site for comparison. While I always looked to try and compare any similar die markers that he would point out, I didn't quite realize that 99% would essentially share the same markers, if truly doubled - but duh.. in hindsight, makes perfect sense.

I just checked out the above link and the sketched graphic of machine doubling, hub doubling and normal is very helpful. And then finally on that same page are definitions of various classes of spreads! I always read Wexler defying the type of spread when comparing a coin, but had no clue what any of it meant. Do you know of any other resources where, like the aforementioned website, one can actually see examples of the specific classes of spreads while reading the definition, to be able to learn how to identify any potential true doubles better?

Thanks a ton. I just joined this forum this morning after finding this thread :)

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Re: one more try

#15 Unread post by Jeffreyscott30 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:22 am

Daniel wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:15 am
Ok, I don't want to frustrate you but I can only help you by giving you the facts. First, we always need images of the entire coin, front and back. Second, doubled dies are 99% ID'd based on known die markers so a website like coppercoins.com die variety search is a must. Third, this is not a doubled die but plating bubbles.

A doubled die is a coin struck by a die which is doubled and there must be a doubled image on the coin, but not raised areas going across the design. Here's images of what a doubled die looks like. http://coinauctionshelp.com/doubledieminterror.html

Don't give up!
...And I literally just found the answers to my question after hitting "submit" to my prior reply :)

http://coinauctionshelp.com/mintingproc ... orq7RPwbOQ

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Re: Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent

#16 Unread post by PALH1 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:31 pm

i would suggest that you "STUDY & LEARN" the 'minting process' ... in totality ...

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yes, it's a great deal to ask, & the 'evolution' of the minting process will explain the "how/why" these different die variations actually came about

just say'n

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Re: Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent

#17 Unread post by Daniel » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:18 pm

I am glad you found it helpful. I created the page and it is my website, Wexler's is a great site but not for novices. I am planning on posting a page with images of each class. It just takes time.

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Re: Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent

#18 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:43 am

First off, let me say welcome and thanks for sharing some interesting finds.
Surfing collectors would love the Lincoln "hanging 10". It is interesting but not really valuable. With him sitting in his chair it does look like he is crouched down and that linear plating blister does make it look like he is on a board.
Surfing through the pilings of a pier! hugeeyes

Can you post a closeup of the areas of LIBERTY like you did of the E.
Thanks again.

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