Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent

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Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent

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New to this site and collecting. I can finaly tell the difference between a true doubling and a mechanical (for the most part anyway). Was very frustrating the first few months when i was sure several times that I must be the greatist coin collector of all time considering the number of valuable coins I had found only to find out how wrong I was. Was going to give up but then I did find a true doubled die and now Im hooked.

I want to share an interesting penny I found. I doubt it has any real value but it is by far my favorite find.

My question can I post a photo of it from my iphone, if so how?

Im going to give it a try now so if it works disregard these last couple sentences
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Wanted to add to that first post. That penny is a 1997 D and it does have allot of mechanical doubling but some true doubled die also, I think (tough call for me on this one).

So my question is...does anyone thinkthis is worth having graded???

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Ok, I don't want to frustrate you but I can only help you by giving you the facts. First, we always need images of the entire coin, front and back. Second, doubled dies are 99% ID'd based on known die markers so a website like coppercoins.com die variety search is a must. Third, this is not a doubled die but plating bubbles.

A doubled die is a coin struck by a die which is doubled and there must be a doubled image on the coin, but not raised areas going across the design. Here's images of what a doubled die looks like. http://coinauctionshelp.com/doubledieminterror.html

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are you looking at the 'doubling', or what looks like 'doubling',....around (inside) the memorial columns ?? .... plz
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Sorry for not being clear in my post and thank you for replying. I realize this isnt doubled. I was just saying I really like this coin ecause it looks like Lincoln is riding a wave. Just strikes me as funny.

I will send pictures of the entire coin and thank you for the info about that. Question: Do error coins that resemble some theme for example (maybe a bad one), Lincoln riding a wave, have any market value.

I am getting better about identifying true doubling but I admit I still have some trouble. I do have a DD coin I would like some opinions on but I dont think this is the right forum.

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and come on guys you have to admit it does look like Lincoln on a surf board....

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I don't understand what you mean "this is not the right forum". It is just as "right" as any forum on that subject.

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Ok, thanks. I thought this forum was kinda of a new guy question forum but if not then ....another question.

I like this coin. Its in good shape. There is some good doubling particularly the E in UNITED but also most of LIBERTY is doubled. Does anyone think this coin is worth sending off to be graded.

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I think you over-looked my first comments on this subject and images I sent. When you think you have ID'd any variety like a doubled die 99% of the time the die markers will be known and cataloged. If not then it is a knew variety that must be sent to a CONECA or recognized expert so it can be cataloged.

A true doubled feature will be the exact size and shape as the "original" feature on your coin the supposed doubled E is not, it is a plating bubble that is almost the shape of the E's center bar. As you can see it is fatter and and at an angle. The images are not good enough to see the LIBERTY so can't comment much without better images.

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yea thanks for the reply.. I thought that was the case with the "E'' but I still thought there was doubling going on. One of these days Im going to post a pic and ya all are going to agree with my assessment of it.....hopefully

by the way, and maybe its just me but I still like that first coin that looks like Abe is surfing.

thanks again for you help.

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Daniel wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:00 am I think you over-looked my first comments on this subject and images I sent. When you think you have ID'd any variety like a doubled die 99% of the time the die markers will be known and cataloged. If not then it is a knew variety that must be sent to a CONECA or recognized expert so it can be cataloged.

A true doubled feature will be the exact size and shape as the "original" feature on your coin the supposed doubled E is not, it is a plating bubble that is almost the shape of the E's center bar. As you can see it is fatter and and at an angle. The images are not good enough to see the LIBERTY so can't comment much without better images.
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Daniel wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:00 am I think you over-looked my first comments on this subject and images I sent. When you think you have ID'd any variety like a doubled die 99% of the time the die markers will be known and cataloged. If not then it is a knew variety that must be sent to a CONECA or recognized expert so it can be cataloged.

A true doubled feature will be the exact size and shape as the "original" feature on your coin the supposed doubled E is not, it is a plating bubble that is almost the shape of the E's center bar. As you can see it is fatter and and at an angle. The images are not good enough to see the LIBERTY so can't comment much without better images.
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Daniel wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:15 am Ok, I don't want to frustrate you but I can only help you by giving you the facts. First, we always need images of the entire coin, front and back. Second, doubled dies are 99% ID'd based on known die markers so a website like coppercoins.com die variety search is a must. Third, this is not a doubled die but plating bubbles.

A doubled die is a coin struck by a die which is doubled and there must be a doubled image on the coin, but not raised areas going across the design. Here's images of what a doubled die looks like. http://coinauctionshelp.com/doubledieminterror.html

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I'm also pretty new to collecting myself, and this comment, as well as your follow up comment were two of the most clear-cut explanations, so I greatly appreciate it! Whenever I find something "suspicious" looking, I typically always go straight to Wexler's site for comparison. While I always looked to try and compare any similar die markers that he would point out, I didn't quite realize that 99% would essentially share the same markers, if truly doubled - but duh.. in hindsight, makes perfect sense.

I just checked out the above link and the sketched graphic of machine doubling, hub doubling and normal is very helpful. And then finally on that same page are definitions of various classes of spreads! I always read Wexler defying the type of spread when comparing a coin, but had no clue what any of it meant. Do you know of any other resources where, like the aforementioned website, one can actually see examples of the specific classes of spreads while reading the definition, to be able to learn how to identify any potential true doubles better?

Thanks a ton. I just joined this forum this morning after finding this thread :)

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Daniel wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:15 am Ok, I don't want to frustrate you but I can only help you by giving you the facts. First, we always need images of the entire coin, front and back. Second, doubled dies are 99% ID'd based on known die markers so a website like coppercoins.com die variety search is a must. Third, this is not a doubled die but plating bubbles.

A doubled die is a coin struck by a die which is doubled and there must be a doubled image on the coin, but not raised areas going across the design. Here's images of what a doubled die looks like. http://coinauctionshelp.com/doubledieminterror.html

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...And I literally just found the answers to my question after hitting "submit" to my prior reply :)

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i would suggest that you "STUDY & LEARN" the 'minting process' ... in totality ...

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yes, it's a great deal to ask, & the 'evolution' of the minting process will explain the "how/why" these different die variations actually came about

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I am glad you found it helpful. I created the page and it is my website, Wexler's is a great site but not for novices. I am planning on posting a page with images of each class. It just takes time.

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#18 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

First off, let me say welcome and thanks for sharing some interesting finds.
Surfing collectors would love the Lincoln "hanging 10". It is interesting but not really valuable. With him sitting in his chair it does look like he is crouched down and that linear plating blister does make it look like he is on a board.
Surfing through the pilings of a pier! hugeeyes

Can you post a closeup of the areas of LIBERTY like you did of the E.
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