Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent
Moderator: Daniel
Forum rules
Here's a link to how to post a topic with images in our community https://coinauctionshelp.com/welcome-to ... community/
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
You also agree to follow these guidelines. You must agree to these rules to be a member of this forum. NO SPAM! Spam is deleted within minutes, no spam will ever be left in our community.
1. Post a front and back image of your coin with a specific question about what you’re seeing or asking about and one coin per topic.
2. Please remove coin from the holder unless it’s US or an official mint case or unless it is graded by a grading service.
3. Images should be taken by a camera or cell phone camera, we ask that members don’t use images through a microscope screen.
4. Always start your own topic, please don’t ask about your coin or post your coin in someone else’s coin topic.
5. Do not send private messages about your coin unless an Admin ask you too and the same for sending emails through the board.
6. No spam. Do not post any links to your coin or other non-coin websites.
7. Always be respectful even if something makes you upset or you don’t agree with a member. You can always get a second opinion elsewhere. If you have an issue then politely ask an admin in an PM. PM’s are for issues, technical and personal, but not for coin questions (refer to number 5 on this list). Our community is not a soap box for complaining or drama, so please refrain from doing so here.[/size]
Here's a link to how to post a topic with images in our community https://coinauctionshelp.com/welcome-to ... community/
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
You also agree to follow these guidelines. You must agree to these rules to be a member of this forum. NO SPAM! Spam is deleted within minutes, no spam will ever be left in our community.
1. Post a front and back image of your coin with a specific question about what you’re seeing or asking about and one coin per topic.
2. Please remove coin from the holder unless it’s US or an official mint case or unless it is graded by a grading service.
3. Images should be taken by a camera or cell phone camera, we ask that members don’t use images through a microscope screen.
4. Always start your own topic, please don’t ask about your coin or post your coin in someone else’s coin topic.
5. Do not send private messages about your coin unless an Admin ask you too and the same for sending emails through the board.
6. No spam. Do not post any links to your coin or other non-coin websites.
7. Always be respectful even if something makes you upset or you don’t agree with a member. You can always get a second opinion elsewhere. If you have an issue then politely ask an admin in an PM. PM’s are for issues, technical and personal, but not for coin questions (refer to number 5 on this list). Our community is not a soap box for complaining or drama, so please refrain from doing so here.[/size]
Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent
New to this site and collecting. I can finaly tell the difference between a true doubling and a mechanical (for the most part anyway). Was very frustrating the first few months when i was sure several times that I must be the greatist coin collector of all time considering the number of valuable coins I had found only to find out how wrong I was. Was going to give up but then I did find a true doubled die and now Im hooked.
I want to share an interesting penny I found. I doubt it has any real value but it is by far my favorite find.
My question can I post a photo of it from my iphone, if so how?
Im going to give it a try now so if it works disregard these last couple sentences
I want to share an interesting penny I found. I doubt it has any real value but it is by far my favorite find.
My question can I post a photo of it from my iphone, if so how?
Im going to give it a try now so if it works disregard these last couple sentences
Re: one more try
Wanted to add to that first post. That penny is a 1997 D and it does have allot of mechanical doubling but some true doubled die also, I think (tough call for me on this one).
So my question is...does anyone thinkthis is worth having graded???
and heres another photo
So my question is...does anyone thinkthis is worth having graded???
and heres another photo
- Daniel
- Administrator
- Posts: 26495
- Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm
- Location: Ohio
- Has thanked: 1146 times
- Been thanked: 4158 times
- Contact:
Re: one more try
Ok, I don't want to frustrate you but I can only help you by giving you the facts. First, we always need images of the entire coin, front and back. Second, doubled dies are 99% ID'd based on known die markers so a website like coppercoins.com die variety search is a must. Third, this is not a doubled die but plating bubbles.
A doubled die is a coin struck by a die which is doubled and there must be a doubled image on the coin, but not raised areas going across the design. Here's images of what a doubled die looks like. http://coinauctionshelp.com/doubledieminterror.html
Don't give up!
A doubled die is a coin struck by a die which is doubled and there must be a doubled image on the coin, but not raised areas going across the design. Here's images of what a doubled die looks like. http://coinauctionshelp.com/doubledieminterror.html
Don't give up!
- Paul
- Master Die Variety Examiner
- Posts: 19071
- Joined: Wed May 29, 2013 9:19 pm
- Location: Wisconsin
- Has thanked: 906 times
- Been thanked: 3319 times
Re: one more try
are you looking at the 'doubling', or what looks like 'doubling',....around (inside) the memorial columns ?? .... plz
whistling2:
whistling2:
Re: one more try
Sorry for not being clear in my post and thank you for replying. I realize this isnt doubled. I was just saying I really like this coin ecause it looks like Lincoln is riding a wave. Just strikes me as funny.
I will send pictures of the entire coin and thank you for the info about that. Question: Do error coins that resemble some theme for example (maybe a bad one), Lincoln riding a wave, have any market value.
I am getting better about identifying true doubling but I admit I still have some trouble. I do have a DD coin I would like some opinions on but I dont think this is the right forum.
thanks again for replying
I will send pictures of the entire coin and thank you for the info about that. Question: Do error coins that resemble some theme for example (maybe a bad one), Lincoln riding a wave, have any market value.
I am getting better about identifying true doubling but I admit I still have some trouble. I do have a DD coin I would like some opinions on but I dont think this is the right forum.
thanks again for replying
- Daniel
- Administrator
- Posts: 26495
- Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm
- Location: Ohio
- Has thanked: 1146 times
- Been thanked: 4158 times
- Contact:
Re: one more try
I don't understand what you mean "this is not the right forum". It is just as "right" as any forum on that subject.
Re: one more try
Ok, thanks. I thought this forum was kinda of a new guy question forum but if not then ....another question.
I like this coin. Its in good shape. There is some good doubling particularly the E in UNITED but also most of LIBERTY is doubled. Does anyone think this coin is worth sending off to be graded.
thanks
I like this coin. Its in good shape. There is some good doubling particularly the E in UNITED but also most of LIBERTY is doubled. Does anyone think this coin is worth sending off to be graded.
thanks
- Daniel
- Administrator
- Posts: 26495
- Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm
- Location: Ohio
- Has thanked: 1146 times
- Been thanked: 4158 times
- Contact:
Re: one more try
I think you over-looked my first comments on this subject and images I sent. When you think you have ID'd any variety like a doubled die 99% of the time the die markers will be known and cataloged. If not then it is a knew variety that must be sent to a CONECA or recognized expert so it can be cataloged.
A true doubled feature will be the exact size and shape as the "original" feature on your coin the supposed doubled E is not, it is a plating bubble that is almost the shape of the E's center bar. As you can see it is fatter and and at an angle. The images are not good enough to see the LIBERTY so can't comment much without better images.
A true doubled feature will be the exact size and shape as the "original" feature on your coin the supposed doubled E is not, it is a plating bubble that is almost the shape of the E's center bar. As you can see it is fatter and and at an angle. The images are not good enough to see the LIBERTY so can't comment much without better images.
Re: one more try
yea thanks for the reply.. I thought that was the case with the "E'' but I still thought there was doubling going on. One of these days Im going to post a pic and ya all are going to agree with my assessment of it.....hopefully
by the way, and maybe its just me but I still like that first coin that looks like Abe is surfing.
thanks again for you help.
by the way, and maybe its just me but I still like that first coin that looks like Abe is surfing.
thanks again for you help.
-
- Forum Supporter
- Posts: 1863
- Joined: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:08 pm
- Has thanked: 236 times
- Been thanked: 36 times
Re: one more try
Well said.Daniel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:00 am I think you over-looked my first comments on this subject and images I sent. When you think you have ID'd any variety like a doubled die 99% of the time the die markers will be known and cataloged. If not then it is a knew variety that must be sent to a CONECA or recognized expert so it can be cataloged.
A true doubled feature will be the exact size and shape as the "original" feature on your coin the supposed doubled E is not, it is a plating bubble that is almost the shape of the E's center bar. As you can see it is fatter and and at an angle. The images are not good enough to see the LIBERTY so can't comment much without better images.
- Paul
- Master Die Variety Examiner
- Posts: 19071
- Joined: Wed May 29, 2013 9:19 pm
- Location: Wisconsin
- Has thanked: 906 times
- Been thanked: 3319 times
Re: one more try
:agree:Daniel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:00 am I think you over-looked my first comments on this subject and images I sent. When you think you have ID'd any variety like a doubled die 99% of the time the die markers will be known and cataloged. If not then it is a knew variety that must be sent to a CONECA or recognized expert so it can be cataloged.
A true doubled feature will be the exact size and shape as the "original" feature on your coin the supposed doubled E is not, it is a plating bubble that is almost the shape of the E's center bar. As you can see it is fatter and and at an angle. The images are not good enough to see the LIBERTY so can't comment much without better images.
-
- Coining Around
- Posts: 2
- Joined: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:09 am
Re: one more try
I'm also pretty new to collecting myself, and this comment, as well as your follow up comment were two of the most clear-cut explanations, so I greatly appreciate it! Whenever I find something "suspicious" looking, I typically always go straight to Wexler's site for comparison. While I always looked to try and compare any similar die markers that he would point out, I didn't quite realize that 99% would essentially share the same markers, if truly doubled - but duh.. in hindsight, makes perfect sense.Daniel wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:15 am Ok, I don't want to frustrate you but I can only help you by giving you the facts. First, we always need images of the entire coin, front and back. Second, doubled dies are 99% ID'd based on known die markers so a website like coppercoins.com die variety search is a must. Third, this is not a doubled die but plating bubbles.
A doubled die is a coin struck by a die which is doubled and there must be a doubled image on the coin, but not raised areas going across the design. Here's images of what a doubled die looks like. http://coinauctionshelp.com/doubledieminterror.html
Don't give up!
I just checked out the above link and the sketched graphic of machine doubling, hub doubling and normal is very helpful. And then finally on that same page are definitions of various classes of spreads! I always read Wexler defying the type of spread when comparing a coin, but had no clue what any of it meant. Do you know of any other resources where, like the aforementioned website, one can actually see examples of the specific classes of spreads while reading the definition, to be able to learn how to identify any potential true doubles better?
Thanks a ton. I just joined this forum this morning after finding this thread :)
-
- Coining Around
- Posts: 2
- Joined: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:09 am
Re: one more try
...And I literally just found the answers to my question after hitting "submit" to my prior reply :)Daniel wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:15 am Ok, I don't want to frustrate you but I can only help you by giving you the facts. First, we always need images of the entire coin, front and back. Second, doubled dies are 99% ID'd based on known die markers so a website like coppercoins.com die variety search is a must. Third, this is not a doubled die but plating bubbles.
A doubled die is a coin struck by a die which is doubled and there must be a doubled image on the coin, but not raised areas going across the design. Here's images of what a doubled die looks like. http://coinauctionshelp.com/doubledieminterror.html
Don't give up!
http://coinauctionshelp.com/mintingproc ... orq7RPwbOQ
- Paul
- Master Die Variety Examiner
- Posts: 19071
- Joined: Wed May 29, 2013 9:19 pm
- Location: Wisconsin
- Has thanked: 906 times
- Been thanked: 3319 times
Re: Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent
i would suggest that you "STUDY & LEARN" the 'minting process' ... in totality ...
:eureka:
yes, it's a great deal to ask, & the 'evolution' of the minting process will explain the "how/why" these different die variations actually came about
just say'n
:eureka:
yes, it's a great deal to ask, & the 'evolution' of the minting process will explain the "how/why" these different die variations actually came about
just say'n
- Daniel
- Administrator
- Posts: 26495
- Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm
- Location: Ohio
- Has thanked: 1146 times
- Been thanked: 4158 times
- Contact:
Re: Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent
I am glad you found it helpful. I created the page and it is my website, Wexler's is a great site but not for novices. I am planning on posting a page with images of each class. It just takes time.
-
- Forum Supporter
- Posts: 1863
- Joined: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:08 pm
- Has thanked: 236 times
- Been thanked: 36 times
Re: Are the columns doubled on this Lincoln Cent
First off, let me say welcome and thanks for sharing some interesting finds.
Surfing collectors would love the Lincoln "hanging 10". It is interesting but not really valuable. With him sitting in his chair it does look like he is crouched down and that linear plating blister does make it look like he is on a board.
Surfing through the pilings of a pier! hugeeyes
Can you post a closeup of the areas of LIBERTY like you did of the E.
Thanks again.
Surfing collectors would love the Lincoln "hanging 10". It is interesting but not really valuable. With him sitting in his chair it does look like he is crouched down and that linear plating blister does make it look like he is on a board.
Surfing through the pilings of a pier! hugeeyes
Can you post a closeup of the areas of LIBERTY like you did of the E.
Thanks again.
-
- Similar Topics
- Replies
- Views
- Last post
-
- 2 Replies
- 22425 Views
-
Last post by PetesPockets55
-
- 3 Replies
- 229 Views
-
Last post by Earle42
-
- 1 Replies
- 246 Views
-
Last post by Paul
-
- 8 Replies
- 639 Views
-
Last post by I.like.coins
-
- 5 Replies
- 539 Views
-
Last post by Daniel
-
- 15 Replies
- 866 Views
-
Last post by Iceresistance
-
- 2 Replies
- 1504 Views
-
Last post by Steven_B
-
- 4 Replies
- 314 Views
-
Last post by Daniel
-
- 4 Replies
- 300 Views
-
Last post by Earle42
-
- 2 Replies
- 1339 Views
-
Last post by Paul