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#1 Unread post by Daniel »

I wanted to offer a little guide on some of the terms you might encounter when looking at certain posts on this website.

DDO-Doubled Die Obverse
DDR-Doubled Die Reverse
MDD-Master Die Doubling
HB-Hub Doubling
PUP-Pick Up Point is where to first look to find a given variety.
RPM-Repunched Mint Mark

Incuse-When the design of a coin is inward from the surface. It also a term that can describe objects or parts of other coin's design that are stamped into another coin's surface i.e. die clashes are incuse.
Convex is the opposite of incuse and most coin designs are convex or a relief above the fields of the coin.
Fields-Describes the area around the devices like the bust, eagle, letters and date and are lower than the devices.
Devices-Is the area around the coin design and sometimes describes the design features themselves, including the date and letters.

MD-Machine Doubling (not doubled die)
SD-Strike Doubling (not doubled die)

PMD-Post Mint Damage

EDS-Early Die State
MDS-Middle Die State
LDS-Late Die State

FS-Fivaz-Stanton (Used to identify a Lincoln Cent variety and is followed by a number in example FS-101)

If you think anymore important acronyms then feel free to post them and I will add them.

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#2 Unread post by fwd »

...how 'bout mechanical doubling and shelf doubling? whistling2:

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How about PMS ? widegrin . ( Post Mint State )? Premium Mint State? Ok maybe it doesn't exist. :l

Just a little Humor.

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2centsal wrote:How about PMS ? widegrin . ( Post Mint State )? Premium Mint State? Ok maybe it doesn't exist. :l

Just a little Humor.
I have enough PMS around here :l

Mechanical doubling and shelf doubling is describing the same thing and that would be confusing. I could add it as part of the definition though.

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How about
1 ( OPM & OMM are the same) ( Overpunched Mintmark) ( Over Mintmark), When you have one letter over a different letter

2 RPM ( Repunched Mintmark ) - Doubled Mintmark
3 RPD (Repunched Date) - Doubled Date
4 PF or PR - Proof

COIN SPECIFIC ABBREVIATIONS
5 FBL - Full Bell Lines ( Franklin Halves)
6 FB or FSB - Full Bands or Full Split Bands ( Mercury Dimes)
* FSB is the older term used. PCGS and NGC just use FB on their slabs.
What I'm not sure is if it has to be 2 bands or all 3 bands. I heard NGC requires 3 split bands and PCGS requires 2. Does anyone know ?? Then another site I visited said that just the middle one has to be split. :dunno

7 FB - also used for Roosevelt dimes ( usually very high grades though)

Can anyone think of anymore ??? :w ( that's not me meaning I'm wise, That's just me in 20 years ) :l

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NGC & PCGS WERE SUPPOSED TO ONLY USE FSB, FBL, 5/6FS.....SO ON (THAT WAS THE IDEA, & **THEY DID** DO IT EARLY ON) TO 'DESIGNATE' EDS COINAGE ONLY. BUT, AS TIME WENT ON, THIS GOT LOST. NOW, AS THEY HAVE BECOME H-U-G-E PROCESSING WAREHOUSES, I SEE THESE MOSTLY ONLY ON HIGH VOLUME SUBMITTER COINS. I HAVE PICKED OFF M-A-N-Y VEDS COINS WITH NOTHING ON THE 'LABEL', & "GRADED" WAY WAY TO LOW,...SUBMITTED/SOLD BY NEWBEE SELLERS FLIPPING COINS. THEY EVEN TELL YOU ON THEIR SITES THAT 'YOUR GRADER', "MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE GRADING THAT TYPE OF COIN". ALSO, THEY EVEN TELL YOU TO 'BUY THE COIN, NOT THE SLAB'......& "THE '62' FROM ONE GRADER, MAY BE A '64' FROM ANOTHER". I SAY... "THE MODERN DAY COLLECTORS ARE SHEEP, AND THEIR SHEPARD IS A 'SLAB LABEL', LEADING THEM BLINDLY THROUGH THE NUMISMATIC FIELDS". BECAUSE ALL 63's ARE 63's, 64's ARE 64's, SO ON......CHECK THE 'PRICE GUIDE', & THAT'S WHAT IT'S WORTH! THIS IS CALLED 'SLAB LABEL BRAINWASHED'. SAD REALLY. I WILL POST A 1959 LINCOLN CENT PF66RD DDR PR-2-R-I-C+VI(3) I JUST PICKED FOR $22!! "GRADED" AS THEY CALL IT, A 66 BECAUSE THE COIN IS FILTHY....BUT IS NEAR AS PERFECT AS A 70 WITH RESPECT TO 'CONTACT MARKS'. IT'S A MDS , EARLY-MID STAGE 'B', BUT HAS ONLY 3 ITTY BITTY TOUCH MARKS I CAN JUST BARELY FIND UNDER THE SCOPE. AFTER I SEND IT TO NCS TO RESTORE/CONSERVE IT....A 69, MAYBE A 69*. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE QUANTITY OF COINS I SEND AT THAT TIME, & WHOM IS 'GRADING' IT.
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#7 Unread post by fwd »

...just thought of something that applies to the SBA dollars. FT, which is a designation for full talons on the reverse of the Anthony dollar. don't know if you could use this or not, daniel. :dunno

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#9 Unread post by fwd »

...link not working, roger.

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Got it now Steve..not sure what happened ?
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I found a new one on me baloney-Business get it "baloney" :l

Good list, need it on here and plus some more, too many acronyms being posted and questions being asked about them.

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#12 Unread post by 2centsal »

You guys might have missed my question about Mercury Dimes. When it says FB , that means all 3 bands have to be split, correct ? I checked a website that Said NGC requires all 3 bands to be split and PCGS requires just 2. Is there any truth to that ?

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#13 Unread post by Daniel »

Really your question should be a separate topic but I did miss it. I have sent many dimes to PCGS and unless all three bands are fully struck and split then it will not get FB. I am sure they're a little more liberal on older examples, but modern coins they do not budge.

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PCGS has a very good GLOSSARY:
PCGS GLOSSARY
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PALH1 wrote:PCGS has a very good GLOSSARY:
PCGS GLOSSARY
The idea was to start a glossary here so people could reference while they're reading post on this forum.

PCGS glossary, among others, are great, but wanted members to offer suggestions or ask questions about them.

Maybe I should do this another way?

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Are all of these mint errors?

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fwd wrote:...how 'bout mechanical doubling and shelf doubling? whistling2:
Forgot to respond to this one. I guess I could ad them but it might confuse people since MD and SD and these both are considered Strike Doubling. I could put in a foot note.

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WINBTPC = Wish I Never Bought That Piece of Crap :s
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I'd recommend a locked thread with the definitions so the prattle doesn't confuse the definitions. Corrections should be made in a separate thread and then applied to the locked thread once approved.

Definitions should give more than just an expansion of the letters: DDO - Double Die Obverse. What is distinct about it that I can determine it is not die wear or machine doubling.

Just a suggestion.
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I agree, but it's about acronyms and what they stand for, there's other topics and pages on my main website to explain the difference between Doubled Dies and strike doubling.

Strike doubling occurs during the strike when the die vibrates, causing a shelf like flatness to the doubling.

A doubled die is created during the creation of a die and is distinct since doubled design features of the coin are actual engraved off center in the during the hubbing (engraving) process, either to the left, right, below or above the design features. It can affect all devices or just a single number or letter.

I know it can be difficult to discern for some an inexperienced eye, but once you see a couple different Doubled Dies in person then you can see how different it is from strike doubling.

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#22 Unread post by mhonzell »

Thanks, but I was just providing an example.
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:l U.R.S. = Un-Searched Roll Scam :l

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How about large date and small date? And don't forget the double eyelid!

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Lg. Dt
Sm. Dt.

The doubled eye lid is a DDO

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Not a mint error acronym..... :ebay:

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#27 Unread post by Joe2897 »

Many of these coin terms can be found in Dr. James Wiles’ E-Books.

RPM= Re-Punched Mint Mark
RPD= Re-Punched Date
EDS = early die state
MDS = mid die state
LDS = late die state
OMM= over mintmark
MMS = mintmark style
IMM = inverted mintmark
ODV = obverse design variety

RDV = reverse design variety
DDO = doubled die obverse
DDR = doubled die reverse
DMR = Die Marriage Registry
UVC = universal variety code.
VLDS = very late die state
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#28 Unread post by Daniel »

They can be found in a lot of different books and websites but the point here is to have them here for the forum visitors.

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