Letters on reverse rim above United ans "ST" of states

[KristapherGunn]

Hey there everybody! I was just about to throw this one back out of my change and I noticed some lettering on the reverse rim above United and the S and T of states. I am trying to find a name for this? Is it a die clash? Is it rare? Thanks in advance.

[Daniel]

I don't see letters, looks like marks or toning causing shapes and if there's incuse letters than it was caused by another coin after mint.

[Coin Mule]

Man these are coming out of the woodwork like termites. Hey K, it looks like someone laid a coin on top of your coin and whacked it with a Estwing 22 oz Straight Rip Claw, Framing Hammer - with Smooth Face. Anytime you see anything "indented" in a coin it is usually post mint damage (PMD). But keep hunting, and may all the VAMS be yours (well maybe not all, leave some for Earl)

[KristapherGunn]

Sorry not letters.... tops of letters. In the second to last photo the light is reflecting off of the raised parts of the "tops of letters" on the rim. I have two pennies that I found in a box that were vice jobs and they had indentations and the letters were backwards. The raised parts on the rim are obviously an extension of the letter below. They have the same width for example, above the U and N. These marks for lack of a better word are raised not an indentation. Like I said it looks like the tops of the letters were cut off.

[KristapherGunn]

This is what it is! Rim-restricted design duplication
Definition: Rim-restricted design duplication: This rare form of doubling has to date only been detected on Presidential dollars (Washington to Madison), several 1994 cents, and a 2004 cent. It always occurs on the face struck by the hammer die. After reaching the lowest point of its downstroke, the hammer die bounces up, shifts to one side, and lands lightly on the design rim, leaving a set of raised design elements. It is also sometimes referred to as “one-sided, rim-restricted design duplication”.

[Coin Mule]

So K, if you are so sure, send it out and have it attributed and slabbed, then it would be worth even more. That would end the discussion, and you would would have found the unicorn of a lifetime.

Edit: By the way, nobody buys a unicorn like that without attribution and certification, good try though. A for effort.

[KristapherGunn]

I will get it attributed now that I know what it is. I'm sorry? Nice try? I haven't tried to sell it at all? I will however take the "A" for effort though, thank you!

[Coin Mule]

Hey K, assuming that you are displaying what Alan Greenspan termed as "Irrational exuberance" , thinking you have found a unicorn, let us consider the following.

The images I have taken my observations from are here http://www.error-ref.com/rim-restricted ... n%E2%80%9D.

1. There are no tops of letters on your coin, just indentations on the rim, between the raised portion of the letters on the coin

2.The pressure that coin dies function under will flatten the rim, and leave a clear letter indentation, yours does not have that.

3.There is a small sharp ridge under the restamped rim on the Attributed coin, yours does not have this.

3. Finally, if you look at "WE" in the attributed coin, you will see that the rim is flattened well before and after. Yours is not flattened before the U, in fact it looks to be the regular strike dimensions

But get it attributed, and maybe we can all learn from this

[KristapherGunn]

I'm sorry but you are wrong and its because of the crappy pictures and for that I am sorry. I was able to get a few more opinions on this coin and one of them sent me a link with pictures and an article on this matter. From that I was able to determine that what I have found is the same thing. I never said I found a Unicorn, you did. I have never tried to sell it I just found this yesterday and came to you guys to ask if someone knew what it was called that's it! You assume to much coin mule. Thanks for your time.

[KristapherGunn]

That's the same article that the other person sent me. I'm not really set up to take pictures like the ones shown in that article but I can see it clear as day with my loop. Thanks again.

[KristapherGunn]

Hey coin mule, did you know that this coin is not even something that a third party will grade? It's not really worth anything. So my question for you is why do you waste my time and yours telling me I need to get it graded and no one will by it unless it is graded. I came here for advice not to be patronized and insulted. I feel like if you are not here to help then what are you doing? It seems like you need to learn much more than coins. Good luck. This will be the last time I come here for advice!