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Re: Is this a bad planchet or something else ??

#11 Unread post by Daniel » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:05 pm

This is post mint damage, I can see smashed metal and flattened features where someone used pressure to rum along inside the rim. Something hard and blunt. Thanks for the extra images.



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Re: Is this a bad planchet or something else ??

#12 Unread post by Paul » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:13 am

After taking a very close hugeeyes at your new images posted here .....
...... the only thing that I can think of, is this could quite possibly be "Bezel Damage", as if the bezel was 'spun' after it was installed.

That's my best guess, using Internet images for attribution........
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Re: Is this a bad planchet or something else ??

#13 Unread post by pahwa » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:06 pm

Better close-ups, thanks. I am most certainly not going to argue with Paul and Daniel about the cause of these marks. But I will say I feel pretty confident that these rings are post mint damage. Bezel damage never crossed my mind. To make these marks something has to be turning with some pressure and a little speed while the other has to be held in place. A mini lathe in other words. lol There is really no reason to spin a bezel that I know of or a penny in a bezel. I am still leaning toward rolling machine damage just due to the fact that is the only thing that I can think of that would have a function that could cause rotational damage like that.

Now there is planchet damage, pre-mint. There is a line that runs from the I in the word IN on the obverse SE just behind the neck and continues off the coin west of the date. That is probably some contamination in the planchet sheet during manufacturing.
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Re: Is this a bad planchet or something else ??

#14 Unread post by Jsul77798 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:02 am

So with todays video, is the PMD id being reconsidered? Or just tryin to work out what method of PMD?
And as for the ridge rings seen on worn die zinc cents, are those EVER seen in multiples in a way mimicing this somewhat? Any way is def somethin different.....

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Re: Is this a bad planchet or something else ??

#15 Unread post by Daniel » Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:37 am

It's PMD. You don't always know how but I am not in doubt on this coin being damaged.

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Re: Is this a bad planchet or something else ??

#16 Unread post by DSCoins » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:00 pm

I have seen this before. A gentleman I knew showed me how he made magician coins. He did Half dollars, Quarters, Dime and pennies on a small lathe. The lines on this penny look just like the ones when he first started on the coin. After he had done a lot of lines (like on this coin), all the way to the center. He would then go back out to the edge and make the lines a little deeper and wider until he could get the two coins to mate without it being detected (except under magnification). I always thought it was a waste of good coins, but people bought them.

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Re: Is this a bad planchet or something else ??

#17 Unread post by pahwa » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:39 am

DSCoins wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:00 pm
I have seen this before. A gentleman I knew showed me how he made magician coins. He did Half dollars, Quarters, Dime and pennies on a small lathe. The lines on this penny look just like the ones when he first started on the coin. After he had done a lot of lines (like on this coin), all the way to the center. He would then go back out to the edge and make the lines a little deeper and wider until he could get the two coins to mate without it being detected (except under magnification). I always thought it was a waste of good coins, but people bought them.

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I found one and have it around here someplace, this is a penny. I first thought it was a rotated reverse until someone noticed a very fine line by the rim. A cool coin. If I find it I'll post a pic of it if you are interested.
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Re: Is this a bad planchet or something else ??

#18 Unread post by Earle42 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:05 am

063285.jpg (JPEG Image, 1100 × 1100 pixels) - Scaled (89)(1).jpg
Looks like someone took one of those cylindrical diamond dust covered drill bits (for cutting glass) put it on the penny and twirled it by hand a few times? These come in many sizes.

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Re: Is this a bad planchet or something else ??

#19 Unread post by Jsul77798 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:36 pm

Daniel wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:37 am
It's PMD. You don't always know how but I am not in doubt on this coin being damaged.
Cool, I was just askin cuz I saw the video after you said PMD here.....Interesting case though!!!!
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