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#1 Unread post by ave13co »

Take a look at this link to Wexlers ..

http://doubleddie.com/809586.html

You will see a 1958D DDO cent. The questionable part for me is that " doubling", to me, looks like MD...I have a 1958D with MD on the reverse that is much more profound than this example . There are no 1958D-DDR at Wexlers. I will post an image of my coin soon.

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Here are some images of my 1958D cent. When I transfer images from here to the forum, I have noticed that justice isn't done. The images are not as good. So if you can enhance them on your end, your more likely to see what I see. In particular...RIBUS and UNUM. Also slight doubleing on wheat ears and E of one, N of United, C of cent. MD or DDR?
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It's mechanical doubling, doesn't match Wexler's or coppercoins.com and why I recommend holding your coin up to the screen and comparing.

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There are no 1958 D to compare it to. They are supposed to be DDO. Not DDR. And what I see at the link I left is also MD. I really don't see how the 1958 D on Wexlers is a double die . It looks like MD to me.

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I do not hugeeyes see "Die Doubling" here. This is considered 'mechanical doubling'.

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I know of only one DDR for this date and mint mark, with the very minor doubling from K9 – K11, the 1958D-1DR-001.
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#6 Unread post by ave13co »

You guys missed the entire gist of my post. As you can see in the first paragraph, I know my coin is MD. What I was trying to get at was Wexlers 1958-D 1¢ WDDO-007 found at the link above. He States that doubling shows below the B in liberty. And that's it. No other doubling on that coin. I am staying that his coin ,according to his description, is no more doubled than the coin in the images above. The doubling found below the B in liberty looks just like the MD on my coin.

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#7 Unread post by mhonzell »

There is a minor difference in the two.
If you look at yours, near the ends of any letter with MD, there are not notches.

On Wexler's 1958D, there is an offset which results in a notch for the corner of the B. Notching is a key characteristic of true doubling.
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#8 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Mhonzell is pointing out a very integral part for determining a true doubled die.

You will notice there are more that will look confusing. Some of the MD still gets me (especially nickels, clad and silver) but the notching is the key to look for.

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It's all about your camera. Took closer pictures. Will post soon. Also, found a 1960 D RPM-002 Stage H according to what I see. Another thread.

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Here are some different images of my 58D. Please take a second look.
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#11 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Nice images with the mark ups.

Sorry but it looks like MD in your new images to these tired eyes. I'm not seeing a doubled die. Not the strong kind of notching usually needed to confirm a new variety.
There is some strong die deterioration at the tops of the letters which may be affecting the MD.

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You can tell the UNUM is smaller from the die "cutting" and moving metal away from the edge of the letters and flattening it out, this is mechanical doubling.

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#13 Unread post by mhonzell »

Agree, MD
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#14 Unread post by ave13co »

Thank you gentlemen. Will put it away and keep looking.

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