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1985 black nickel and 1989d penny errors on front an back any info would be appreciated
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Welcome!

Please post photos of both coins and include front and back. Additionally, it is best if you put each coin in a separate thread so the conversation doesn't become confusing.
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I’m sorry I thought all pics loaded

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1989 penny
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Black nickel
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On the 1989 penny's reverse, the FG is exhibiting "Die Trails".
On the 1989 penny's obverse, you are showing us mechanical doubling.

While interesting, neither add value.

The blackened nickel is not rare, but a type of planchet error that occurs prior to the coin being struck. Unfortunately, it could also be an artificially toned coin, or have spent some time in the ground. This one would like require inspection in hand to be able to determine the difference. But, even if a sintered (or improperly annealed) coin, it would again not add much value.
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Thank you on the penny some of the letters on the back looks like date on front the fg is also like that kinda hard to see in pics

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I have a lot more with different flaws an I have no idea about what is valuable an what is just worth keeping is there any specific flaws that you could list for me thank you

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mhonzell wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:50 pm On the 1989 penny's reverse, the FG is exhibiting "Die Trails".
On the 1989 penny's obverse, you are showing us mechanical doubling.

While interesting, neither add value.

The blackened nickel is not rare, but a type of planchet error that occurs prior to the coin being struck. Unfortunately, it could also be an artificially toned coin, or have spent some time in the ground. This one would like require inspection in hand to be able to determine the difference. But, even if a sintered (or improperly annealed) coin, it would again not add much value.
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mhonzell wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:50 pm On the 1989 penny's reverse, the FG is exhibiting "Die Trails".........

Aren't die trails in relief (raised)?
The lines coming off the NE corners of FG appear to be incuse (recessed).
Same anomaly on the bottom right corner of the building.
Is this the same incuse issue affecting the date?

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Other than the nickel you're seeing issues with die wear that creates false doubling and anomalies. The nickel could be a black beauty and would be an improperly annealed planchet, but if it's circulated then it's not worth extra.

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Some claim it is improper alloy mixture and here's a topic discussing the black beauty nickel viewtopic.php?t=8950

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This is a 1977d an front and back looks like this with the letters what is this called
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Best to start a new thread with each coin to get responses.

There is a lot of damage on the reverse. Which letters are you asking about?

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Better pics
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Yep, that's all damage on this reverse.
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mhonzell wrote: Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:34 am Yep, that's all damage on this reverse.
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mhonzell wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:50 pm On the 1989 penny's reverse, the FG is exhibiting "Die Trails".........
I'm a little confused again! :confused:

Aren't trail dies raised (not incuse?)
The lines on the FG are incuse aren't they?

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This is all damage and die trails are raised and can be created by the tools used to buff the dies after removing clash marks. I saw a video on that somewhere.

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#20 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Thanks for the update and clarification Daniel.

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