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1859 Double headed Indian Mule

#1 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:58 am

I came across this recently doing some research on FE Mules. (thanks again Paul)
1859 Double headed mule- Heritage Auctions

Here is a link to a forum discussion on it in 2008.
In the course of the Forum discussions on this mint error the following information was included:
(As I was reading the forum posts I noticed the coin had a medal alignment.)

"1859 DOUBLE-HEADED INDIAN HEAD CENT MULE

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A single example of an 1859 Double-Headed Indian Head Cent is known. Experts believe that additional examples may exist because of the way the coin was struck.

According to Chris Pilliod, a blank die expected to be used as an "anvil" die (the reverse of the coin and the bottom die in a coining press) was accidentally fabricated as an obverse die. A small portion of the side of dies are ground flat, ensuring proper alignment in the coining press. Die-sinkers also use this "key" to properly align the dies for their purposes. Thus, a coin struck using an anvil die engraved with an obverse design would be expected to have a medal alignment, which is indeed the case with this 1859 Double-Headed Cent.

Additional examples may exist because this coin was produced as a normal business strike under normal (albeit exceptional) conditions."

Also in the forum posts:
"The 1859 dual obverse mule is considered to be a Mint error rather than a pattern. Noted Indian cent expert Rick Snow has traced both obverse dies used to make the coin to other business strike coins."

My question- How could this obverse be produced on an anvil die blank and then be used in conjunction with another Reverse (anvil die) to produce other non error business strike examples?

Thanks in advance for any help understanding this possibility.



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Re: 1859 Double headed Indian Mule

#2 Unread post by PALH1 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:07 am

C,....
i be 'COINFUSED' on your question ...... :confused:

can you 're-phrase' please ?
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Re: 1859 Double headed Indian Mule

#3 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:12 pm

Let me see....
Rick Snow said that both obverses were used to produce regular business strike coins.

If one obverse was produced using a reverse (anvil) die blank, which can only be used/"mated" to the anvil position, how could it then fit/be used in the obverse (hammer) position?

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Re: 1859 Double headed Indian Mule

#4 Unread post by PALH1 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:10 pm

ok,.....i think i got ya.
i went back & "re-read the article"...... :mad:

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so,.....here is my take:
as you know,....there were alot of screw-ups at this time minting these new(er) 'small cents'
.....(just look at all the FEC multi-denom clashes)....

so,... if the '59 IHC 'obverses' were hit in the 'anvil' position, i can hugeeyes how easy it would be for a press operator to 'accidentally install' (early/mid-run replace?) an IHC 'obverse' in the 'hammer' position,... NOT THE PROPER reverse, & bada-bing, a great 2 headed mule IHC ....JMO

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Re: 1859 Double headed Indian Mule

#5 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:10 am

Thanks and I can understand that "newbie" mistake as well.
But how would that obverse (that was made on and could only fit the anvil position) then be used in the hammer position to make business strike coins?
(The only thing I can think of is the anvil die could be modified somehow to work in the hammer position)

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Re: 1859 Double headed Indian Mule

#6 Unread post by Daniel » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:49 am

The anvil die was only slight modified, on the edge only, but could have been reinstalled as a hammer die since fitting is only and issue when creating the coin chamber in conjunction with the anvil die and the collar die.

So they only slightly modified the edges of the die, fabricated as they say, but still near the same as a hammer die. So when this formerly anvil die was then used as a hammer die you can see the edge is a bit different on subsequent coins it struck. The reason Snow was able to trace other coins from this die.

It's just a matter of the modified edges being aligned to fit against the collar die so the planchet is struck properly.

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Re: 1859 Double headed Indian Mule

#7 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:26 am

Daniel wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:49 am
The anvil die was only slight modified, on the edge only, but could have been reinstalled as a hammer die since fitting is only and issue when creating the coin chamber in conjunction with the anvil die and the collar die.

So they only slightly modified the edges of the die, fabricated as they say, but still near the same as a hammer die. So when this formerly anvil die was then used as a hammer die you can see the edge is a bit different on subsequent coins it struck. The reason Snow was able to trace other coins from this die.

It's just a matter of the modified edges being aligned to fit against the collar die so the planchet is struck properly.
Ah. OK and thanks Daniel. Sometimes it takes a while for info to sink in. lol:

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