The "Minor" Error Coin

Ask a question or post your most recent discovery.

Moderator: Daniel

Forum rules
Here's a link to how to post a topic with images in our community https://coinauctionshelp.com/welcome-to ... community/

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

You also agree to follow these guidelines. You must agree to these rules to be a member of this forum. NO SPAM! Spam is deleted within minutes, no spam will ever be left in our community.

1. Post a front and back image of your coin with a specific question about what you’re seeing or asking about and one coin per topic.

2. Please remove coin from the holder unless it’s US or an official mint case or unless it is graded by a grading service.

3. Images should be taken by a camera or cell phone camera, we ask that members don’t use images through a microscope screen.

4. Always start your own topic, please don’t ask about your coin or post your coin in someone else’s coin topic.

5. Do not send private messages about your coin unless an Admin ask you too and the same for sending emails through the board.

6. No spam. Do not post any links to your coin or other non-coin websites.

7. Always be respectful even if something makes you upset or you don’t agree with a member. You can always get a second opinion elsewhere. If you have an issue then politely ask an admin in an PM. PM’s are for issues, technical and personal, but not for coin questions (refer to number 5 on this list). Our community is not a soap box for complaining or drama, so please refrain from doing so here.[/size]
Post Reply
Message
Author
TheCoinGuy
Coin Collector
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:47 pm

The "Minor" Error Coin

#1 Unread post by TheCoinGuy »

There are different categories of collectable coins. In addition to collecting one of each, there are coins of low mintages, Varieties, and Error coins. The emphasis here is on the Error coin, more specifically, the "minor" Error coin. Error coins can be found in any denomination and every year of mint. Basically they are the result of an error in the minting process. There are many different types, some easily recognized, some not; an understanding of the minting process is helpful. Most collectors look for rarer coins, and in between finding them, find Error coins. While their value is not that of the rarer coins, the interesting ones are commensurate with "making wages".
In the early 1960's leading experts gave names to two common Die Chip error coins in an effort to promote interest in our hobby. It worked, they are highly collected today. Here is the BAR Nickel (a nickel with a chip at the top of any device in Liberty or the date), and a BIE Cent (a cent with a chip anywhere in Liberty).
DSCN7515.JPG
DSCN7518.JPG
DSCN6971.JPG
DSCN6973.JPG
Since then, just about all error coins have been assigned names or categories and can be seen on various websites and books. The once lowly Die Chip, now takes it's rightful place as a collectable coin to be enjoyed by many. I'll add more different error coins here, but for right now, here's another Die Chip error referred to as The Extra Claw and Feathers. The "claw" jumps out at you, and the "feathers" are midway back under the tail section. This one can be found on many 2015 Louisiana quarters.
DSCN0257.JPG
DSCN0281.JPG

User avatar
Daniel
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 26236
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm
Location: Ohio
Has thanked: 1123 times
Been thanked: 4093 times
Contact:

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#2 Unread post by Daniel »

I would like to note that the BIE error is usually in between the B and E and the Bar nickel is a longer die break inside the rim hence the name "bar". You're correct that they're die chips and die breaks respectively. Furthermore these have obtained variety status as well since they're actual changes to the surface of the die with a fancy nickname.

I am not sure when the first nickname for a variety was coined but I do know it goes back to at least the 1937 Three Leg Buffalo, and maybe further with some of the large cents as in Boobie and Silly Heads, but they were first insults to the coin's design.

TheCoinGuy
Coin Collector
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:47 pm

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#3 Unread post by TheCoinGuy »

The BIE error was originally a chip that served as an "I" between the B and E. That's why it was called the BIE. It has since been expanded to be included anywhere in Liberty. A chip anywhere in Liberty is classified as a BIE, there are also sub-classifications of the BIE corresponding to specific locations. You can read all about them at this link: http://cuds-on-coins.com/ . The BAR received it's name similarly, because (as you mentioned) it resembles a "bar" . It generally runs the width of the device, and touches both the rim and device. I agree there are Variety/Error coins, a Doubled Die that also has a Strike Doubling error, (even though the Strike Doubling is not on the die), is a good example. The Three Legged Buffalo, and the Two Feathers were the results of Over-Polished Die errors, and are indeed Varieties as well. As I eluded to, Error coins were originally considered just worthless errors. They have evolved over time to be collected by many and are now not without value.

TheCoinGuy
Coin Collector
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:47 pm

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#4 Unread post by TheCoinGuy »

I said I'd post some pictures of error coins. Since we're on the subject of Over-Polished Die errors, here's a 1970-D most commonly referred to as The Floating Roof. These can be found throughout the Lincoln Memorial series. The die was overly polished in what was more than likely an attempt to remove a Die Clash error. The supports under the top roof were accidently polished even with the field because they are not deeply recessed in the die.
DSCN6414.JPG

User avatar
Daniel
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 26236
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm
Location: Ohio
Has thanked: 1123 times
Been thanked: 4093 times
Contact:

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#5 Unread post by Daniel »

To be accurate as possible it is still a misnomer to call a LI a BIE, they're placing these under the "umbrella" of BIE now but an LI or ER are still not BIEs. Also notice how they place BIE in quotes, it is being loosely defined there.

The same with a BAR nickel, it can't be a BAR unless the die break is long like a BAR, this is what certain ebay sellers thrive on so they can call every little die break on a nickel's rim a rare Bar die break error that has never been seen before.

It seems these days that everyone wants a mint error website so your going to see inaccurate information or even discrepancies among them, and those can be up to the whim of the website owner. I am in no way saying this website is misleading but that this takes study and scrutiny so there's less confusion.

I do appreciate your post and is great for debate! widegrin

User avatar
Paul
Master Die Variety Examiner
Master Die Variety Examiner
Posts: 18841
Joined: Wed May 29, 2013 9:19 pm
Location: Wisconsin
Has thanked: 897 times
Been thanked: 3274 times

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#6 Unread post by Paul »

Daniel wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:32 am To be accurate as possible it is still a misnomer to call a LI a BIE, they're placing these under the "umbrella" of BIE now but an LI or ER are still not a BIE. Also notice how they place BIE in quotes, it is being loosely defined there.

The same with a BAR nickel, it can't be a BAR unless the die break is long like a BAR, this is what certain ebay sellers thrive on so they can call every little die break on a nickel's rim a rare Bar die break error that has never been seen before.

It seems these days that everyone wants a mint error website so your going to see inaccurate information or even discrepancies among them, and those can be up to the whim of the website owner. I am in no way saying this website is misleading but that this takes study and scrutiny so there's less confusion.

I do appreciate your post and is great for debate! widegrin
:thumbsup:
C.O.N.E.C.A. Wi State Rep
Fly-In Club Wi State Rep

TheCoinGuy
Coin Collector
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:47 pm

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#7 Unread post by TheCoinGuy »

As promised, here's another "minor" error coin. There are two other long and drawn out names for it depending on which expert you talk to, and in the broader category it's an Over Used Die error. Most collectors call it a Ghosting Error. It's caused by the process of die attrition, ie...when the die is progressively altered over time. The obverse and reverse dies slowly transfer design elements to each other right through the coins they strike. When not replaced, they eventually produce awesome coins similar to this one. The "Ghost'" of Lincoln appears on the reverse. As with most error coins, this error crosses denominational lines and can be found in many years of mint. I hope you enjoy it at least half as much as I do. I'll post another error coin here in the next day or so. Comments always welcome.
DSCN3681.JPG

PetesPockets55
Forum Supporter
Forum Supporter
Posts: 1863
Joined: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:08 pm
Has thanked: 236 times
Been thanked: 36 times

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#8 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Lincoln's "ghost" does show up nicely.

TheCoinGuy
Coin Collector
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:47 pm

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#9 Unread post by TheCoinGuy »

Thanks Cliff. I bought some rolls on the cheap from a friend that had inherited them. It turned out that the man that collected them had collected only by date and mint. I found a few different errors , and a nice Doubled die. Even I get lucky once in a while. lol

User avatar
Daniel
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 26236
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm
Location: Ohio
Has thanked: 1123 times
Been thanked: 4093 times
Contact:

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#10 Unread post by Daniel »

I have found a few of these and call them die transference and heard the term ghost before. It is a cool error. I found some nickels and cents with this error.

TheCoinGuy
Coin Collector
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:47 pm

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#11 Unread post by TheCoinGuy »

Cool! Yeah I like em too. The longer they use those dies, the better! lol

TheCoinGuy
Coin Collector
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:47 pm

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#12 Unread post by TheCoinGuy »

Yeppers, they're not to0 hard to find, when they use the dies too long, they get pretty nice. Glad you like it, thanks for the comments. Now what did I do with that Lamination error I was going to post?
Edit: I'm new here. I couldn't find my last reply here, so I wrote this one. Pardon me please.

TheCoinGuy
Coin Collector
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:47 pm

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#13 Unread post by TheCoinGuy »

This is a Lamination error. In the pre-1982 cents they were thought to occur due to an Improper Alloy Mix. For those that may not know, that means the alloy used to make these coins was either under mixed, disproportionate, or contained impurities. The error can be found on one or both sides of a coin, and varies in size. It's usually identified by having at least one straight side and jagged sides with a flaking or peeling appearance. In many regards it's similar to a Woody. but more severe (That gives me an idea for the next error). Anyway, this is a 1929 Lincoln with a strong Lam that actually goes all the way through the coin. I hope you like it.
DSCN4308.JPG
DSCN4309.JPG

TheCoinGuy
Coin Collector
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:47 pm

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#14 Unread post by TheCoinGuy »

This is a 1944-S Rim to Rim Peeled Lamination with devices.
DSCN5687.JPG
This is a Retained Peel. The Lamination peeled and folded over toward the rim.
DSCN5663.JPG
DSCN5661.JPG
If you can find Wheat cents you can find these. It's getting harder to find Wheats in change, but every other coin I've posted here came from change or rolls from the bank.
There are many types of error coins, should I post more?

PetesPockets55
Forum Supporter
Forum Supporter
Posts: 1863
Joined: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:08 pm
Has thanked: 236 times
Been thanked: 36 times

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#15 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Nice examples. It is neat when they go through the coin and are visible on both sides. Don't find those very often.
By all means post some more.

User avatar
Daniel
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 26236
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm
Location: Ohio
Has thanked: 1123 times
Been thanked: 4093 times
Contact:

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#16 Unread post by Daniel »

Here's a few lamination images.
Attachments
Lamination.jpg
laminationintactflap.jpg
laminationintactflap.jpg (71.24 KiB) Viewed 2909 times
1944dramaticlamination.jpg

User avatar
Paul
Master Die Variety Examiner
Master Die Variety Examiner
Posts: 18841
Joined: Wed May 29, 2013 9:19 pm
Location: Wisconsin
Has thanked: 897 times
Been thanked: 3274 times

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#17 Unread post by Paul »

i like your '43 JN d,....

here is one for ya,..... hugeeyes close !
Attachments
47-279 - Copy.jpg
47-279_3 - Copy.jpg
47-2794 - Copy.jpg
47-27938 - Copy.jpg
47-27939 - Copy.jpg
47-27940 - Copy.jpg
47-27942 - Copy.jpg
C.O.N.E.C.A. Wi State Rep
Fly-In Club Wi State Rep

User avatar
Daniel
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 26236
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm
Location: Ohio
Has thanked: 1123 times
Been thanked: 4093 times
Contact:

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#18 Unread post by Daniel »

Nice Paul. I think the 47 is a split planchet, but don't have it anymore

PetesPockets55
Forum Supporter
Forum Supporter
Posts: 1863
Joined: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:08 pm
Has thanked: 236 times
Been thanked: 36 times

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#19 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Nice Paul. It is so minor I almost missed it! widegrin

PetesPockets55
Forum Supporter
Forum Supporter
Posts: 1863
Joined: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:08 pm
Has thanked: 236 times
Been thanked: 36 times

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#20 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

Daniel wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:25 pm Here's a few lamination images.
That nickel is pretty severe.
And that 1944 LWC looks like it might be CC 1944P-1DO-004 with the thickness on the lower part of the 9. Then again it could be damage from circulation or my visual orbs.

User avatar
Daniel
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 26236
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm
Location: Ohio
Has thanked: 1123 times
Been thanked: 4093 times
Contact:

Re: The "Minor" Error Coin

#21 Unread post by Daniel »

I think I still have the 44' will look at that, didn't seem DDO but I wasn't really paying attention to anything but the lamination.

Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post