Missing clads
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Missing clads
I found this quarter a few years back when someone paid for a purchase and I noticed how much lighter it was than a typical quarter. Once I had a chance to look at it more closely I saw that it was also much thinner and "red". I've done some research and it is missing both clads but not sure how to determine it's value. Besides running to a few collector shops, what are my options?
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Re: Missing clads
Missing clad is an error that is fairly easy to imitate. Not saying you've done anything to this quarter.
Many "science" experiments out there lead to stripping the clad, or discoloring the coin.
Missing clad is produced by cutting planchets at the end of the roll of metal where one layer didn't make it to the end. That's fairly rare. It is extremely rare that a roll of metal would run out of clad on both sides of the roll before the end. Enough so that it is unlikely.
To verify, you would need to present the weight, as a minimum. Presenting a couple of photos of the edge would help.
Most likely, this coin would have to actually be examined, in hand. Third party graders will do that for you for a fee, but with a cladless coin, it will be a very small chance that it passes muster.
IF it is actually a cladless coin, it likely would still not have a value that exceeds getting it verified. Looking on eBay, you'll find their prices all over the board... up to $800. But, if you look at those actually sold, you'll see most sell for less than $50. It would have to be a high grade and verified to draw more than that.
Many "science" experiments out there lead to stripping the clad, or discoloring the coin.
Missing clad is produced by cutting planchets at the end of the roll of metal where one layer didn't make it to the end. That's fairly rare. It is extremely rare that a roll of metal would run out of clad on both sides of the roll before the end. Enough so that it is unlikely.
To verify, you would need to present the weight, as a minimum. Presenting a couple of photos of the edge would help.
Most likely, this coin would have to actually be examined, in hand. Third party graders will do that for you for a fee, but with a cladless coin, it will be a very small chance that it passes muster.
IF it is actually a cladless coin, it likely would still not have a value that exceeds getting it verified. Looking on eBay, you'll find their prices all over the board... up to $800. But, if you look at those actually sold, you'll see most sell for less than $50. It would have to be a high grade and verified to draw more than that.
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Re: Missing clads
mhonzell is spot on, very rare for both sides not to be clad and would most certainly need to be authenticated to be worth a premium.
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Re: Missing clads
:agree:roger.ward wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:28 pm I found this quarter a few years back when someone paid for a purchase and I noticed how much lighter it was than a typical quarter. Once I had a chance to look at it more closely I saw that it was also much thinner and "red". I've done some research and it is missing both clads but not sure how to determine it's value. Besides running to a few collector shops, what are my options?
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Re: Missing clads
Finally able to get a good side photo of the coin with a normal coin for comparison. The weight of this coin is 3 grams.
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Re: Missing clads
As stated this is going to be a science experiment, the cladding is sandwiched on either side of the copper core and then rolled into coil stock, then it is fed into the "blanking" machine that cuts out the blanks. If somehow a blank is cut out of a the coil stock that had no cladding it would be on one side due to an accidental over-lapping, but rarely on both sides.
If, by chance, a black or planchet without cladding on both sides, did get struck then the planchet would be too thin for a proper strike, and I don't see this with your coin either. The dies are adjusted to strike a coin of a certain thickness, with a certain amount of pressure, any planchet deviating from the allowance and tolerance is going to be struck weaker than a normal coin.
Only 2 to 3 quarters are known with missing clad layer on both sides and is an extremely rare error. So if you don't think we're correct with our advice then I would call ANACS and talk to them, they don't require a membership and have the lowest grading fees.
If, by chance, a black or planchet without cladding on both sides, did get struck then the planchet would be too thin for a proper strike, and I don't see this with your coin either. The dies are adjusted to strike a coin of a certain thickness, with a certain amount of pressure, any planchet deviating from the allowance and tolerance is going to be struck weaker than a normal coin.
Only 2 to 3 quarters are known with missing clad layer on both sides and is an extremely rare error. So if you don't think we're correct with our advice then I would call ANACS and talk to them, they don't require a membership and have the lowest grading fees.
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