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Missing clad layer nickel

#1 Unread post by greg.allred » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:41 pm

I've been collecting for years and really enjoy a true rare find... Was at seven eleven the other day where the employees know me as the coin guy, I was shown a nickel someone had spent. It's a 1986d nickel missing BOTH clad layers. Was wondering if anyone may know of a value for this?
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Re: Missing clad layer nickel

#2 Unread post by mhonzell » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:16 pm

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RMH22 wrote:Jefferson nickels are not layered like the copper-nickel clad coins (dimes, quarters, half dollars and Eisenhower and SBA dollars), so a missing clad layer is impossible (unless it was struck on a dime blank, and that does not seem to be so here). The most common way for coins to appear copper in color is improper annealing. All coins must be annealed to adjust the strength of the metal, but sometimes nickels and pennies are annealed in the same oven. This process will often cause copper molecules to be transferred off of the penny and onto the nickel, resulting in a blotchy nickel and sometimes even a complete coating. The other process is simply the copper and nickel separate. This tends to cause the copper to migrate to the surface of the nickel. Your coins, however, appear to be simply toned or dirty.

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Re: Missing clad layer nickel

#3 Unread post by PALH1 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:27 pm

this is a very good 'post question'/'accurate response' on the jeff nick "clad issue"....& is a VERY COMMON mistake....or i should say "SCAM" (you know who you are)

i see these being sold for "stupid crazy inflated prices" quite often....why? buyers just are "not well educated", & believe they can 'flip it' for a profit, sad...but true :h


the most popular example is the known 1959 "sintered black beauty"....which are fairly easy to make as a 'looky-loo fake', if you know how.
unfortunately, every time i make a post/response here,....the 'non-genuine quantity' of fakes/home made errors spikes upward on :ebay: ....
reason being, it can be sold to a novice or intermediate for several 1000% profit.......because, today, it's all about MAKING MONEY!

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Re: Missing clad layer nickel

#4 Unread post by Daniel » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:06 pm

Jefferson Nickels are not clad so the planchets can't be made without a clad layer.

If I had to guess then I would say the coin is toned, maybe heat was applied or some chemical to give it this color.

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Re: Missing clad layer nickel

#5 Unread post by Tsantiago1023 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:19 pm

I'm new to this forum and joined for the sole purpose of adding my recent experience in finding what looks like a copper nickel (1993P). At first, I too thought it was missing the clad layer on both sides. But after searching for info on what it could be I came upon this forum. The fact that a nickel does not have a clad layer only lead to more questions on this particular coin. It is visually thinner than a normal nickel and weighs less, (4.6 grams as opposed to 5grams). The diameter seems to be equal to a normal nickel. I found it going through a $50 bag of nickels from the bank. It has nicks and scratches of everyday wear and appears to be copper under the surface as well. It does not look like nickels errors made from cent planchet and weighs more than a penny. The reply's from the original post of annealing make perfect sense to me. But what puzzles me in this case is the thinner width and lower weighing. Could this be explained away also during the minting process. I'm at a loss.

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Re: Missing clad layer nickel

#6 Unread post by Daniel » Mon May 01, 2017 7:43 am

Can you post and image of the coin please, front and back and sides? Thanks

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Re: Missing clad layer nickel

#7 Unread post by mhonzell » Mon May 01, 2017 8:51 am

A photo would truly help, but, not mentioned in our original answers is the commonality of 'science' experiments. People simply like to mess with coins.

While 4.6g is light, it doesn't really fit as another planchet.

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Re: Missing clad layer nickel

#8 Unread post by mike.sinsel » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:18 pm

I have a 1941 and a 1964 that look like they're copper but there nickels I was wondering if I showed you a picture could you answer them for me and tell me what the hell they are.
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Yeah I was wondering what these are if they're copper nickels or what thank you for your input

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Re: Missing clad layer nickel

#9 Unread post by PALH1 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:59 pm

:welcome:

from this 1 pic,......

these hugeeyes like "environmental damage" to me ... JMO

P.S. next time, please post 'on a new thread'

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Re: Missing clad layer nickel

#10 Unread post by Daniel » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:16 pm

Nickels are not clad but a solid alloy and when they look reddish that environmental damage.

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