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1861 $20 CONFEDERATE COUNTERFEIT NOTE

After the Civil War broke out in 1861, the newly established Confederate government began to issue it's own money as legal tender to the citizens of the South. The gamble was that if the South won the war, the money would be redeemable. The 1st note from the Government of the Confederate States of America was issued in April of 1861. From then on, notes were issued on through 1864. Almost every Confederate note was painstakingly hand signed and numbered. It is not uncommon for these notes to have uneven, or rough borders since scissors or shears were used to hastily cut the sheets of notes apart
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I see them on eBay going for between $20 and $60...as with anything, condition is everything and I'm not a bill collector
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One thing to look at is the signatures, the ink used had iron and some or all of the signatures turn brown from oxidization.

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Confederate money also has a lot of counterfeits out there. I think that examples that are certified would go for more.

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Besides condition,denomination,subject matter and pictured people make notes worth more. Any note depicting slaves is worth a premium,those with famous Confederates like Lee or John C. Calhoun are worth more and very high denominations ( over $100) are also. I have a bill ($100) with Calhoun and slaves hoeing cotton.
Most notes depict buildings,pastoral scenes,etc. When I was a kid, this stuff was actually put in cereal boxes, it was so common and worthless. As time has passed, it became more in demand and collectible. After all, these are Civil War era pieces. The printers of the bills were listed on the bills and many are high quality work.
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From the picture you show, I think the person pictured is Vp Alexander Stephens.

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Dipper if I'm not mistaken the ones that showed up in cereal boxes back then were reprints and not the originals. Part of the reason why there are so many fakes. This stuff was reprinted several times. Most confederate stuff is worth well more than the union relics. But there are so many that are fakes or reprints that the value gets dragged down since collectors lose interest. They turn to collecting items that are less likely to be faked.

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:sos: Wow! I need help. I didn't even notice the counterfeit part of the first post. Here I was thinking something was wrong when it was already stated. Not much value, if any, on a counterfeit.

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You have to get these notes from good sources. Many notes in cereal boxes were real, but were unsigned, not numbered and not used,just found in storage or privately owned.

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This site seems to know a lot about the confederate notes and states that copies were placed in cereal boxes in the 50 - 70's for special promotions. There are counterfeits that are worth money though but these were produced during the civil war era.

http://www.rebelstatescurrency.com/reproductions.html

There's a chance it's real from this site hparker. If you scroll down your note is there and seems to match. Also the serial number isn't found among the know counterfeit ones. Maybe be worth it to have it certified. Not sure the cost on certifying notes or how much this would be worth after certification. It can't hurt to take it to a local shop that might have some knowledge on them.

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i pretty sure it's real , thank you for the link , i'm going to take it to the dalton ga. show the 27th to be a 100 percent along with the 3 cent piece .i put up a bigger picture of the note for you guys to look at widegrin


Nolifeking wrote:This site seems to know a lot about the confederate notes and states that copies were placed in cereal boxes in the 50 - 70's for special promotions. There are counterfeits that are worth money though but these were produced during the civil war era.

http://www.rebelstatescurrency.com/reproductions.html

There's a chance it's real from this site hparker. If you scroll down your note is there and seems to match. Also the serial number isn't found among the know counterfeit ones. Maybe be worth it to have it certified. Not sure the cost on certifying notes or how much this would be worth after certification. It can't hurt to take it to a local shop that might have some knowledge on them.
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You wrote counterfeit, so I went with it. Good idea to take to the show although the ink color can tell you a lot.

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The only thing that looks odd on it o me is how dark the signatures are on it. Usually the ink would turn red or brown as the written serial number has done. If anything you'd think it'd be the same color since the serial number and signatures were added the same time.

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If they did make a fake note out of this what would the paper look like ?
like note book paper or something close to it ?

because this note looks like a real bank note type paper

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wouldn't the signature be a copy to make it a counterfit note and the serial number be added later ???



Nolifeking wrote:The only thing that looks odd on it o me is how dark the signatures are on it. Usually the ink would turn red or brown as the written serial number has done. If anything you'd think it'd be the same color since the serial number and signatures were added the same time.

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I'm not really sure. It all depends in what the signatures look like in had. Look closely there may be brown specs of rust in the ink making it more likely that it is real. I've read that if the signatures appear the same color as the black in for the note itself that it could be a sign of a counterfeit bill. In the image it is too hard to tell.

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i'm going to wait until the show the 27th and let this guy that deal's in these note's look at it



Nolifeking wrote:I'm not really sure. It all depends in what the signatures look like in had. Look closely there may be brown specs of rust in the ink making it more likely that it is real. I've read that if the signatures appear the same color as the black in for the note itself that it could be a sign of a counterfeit bill. In the image it is too hard to tell.

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Sounds like your best bet.

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It is 100 percent real the guy told me it's worth around $150-200 ..... if any one wants i'll take $125.00
i didnt try to sell it at the show my buddy was in a big hurry to get out of there , thats why i hate to ride with someone !

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#20 Unread post by hparker619 »

anyone wants this note make me an offer i need all the money i can get right now

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