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is this cleaned?
hi
im getting paranoid that every thing i have is cleaned.
i think i can see faint scratches on her face and neck.
it seem to me that the type of light you use to look at coins makes a difference.
my magnifying lamp is led. it doesnt seem to work as well as the old fashion lights.
it seem like the brighter the better a 100 watt works better than a 60 watt.
this got like personal now. i gunna figure this out :-)
thanks
im getting paranoid that every thing i have is cleaned.
i think i can see faint scratches on her face and neck.
it seem to me that the type of light you use to look at coins makes a difference.
my magnifying lamp is led. it doesnt seem to work as well as the old fashion lights.
it seem like the brighter the better a 100 watt works better than a 60 watt.
this got like personal now. i gunna figure this out :-)
thanks
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Re: is this cleaned?
Here is your coin cropped and enlarged . Your welcome . LOL
P.S Click on picture to enlarge . If you need any help just shout .
P.S Click on picture to enlarge . If you need any help just shout .
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Re: is this cleaned?
Doesn't look clean to me .
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Re: is this cleaned?
see, I was wrong . Thanks Daniel !
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Re: is this cleaned?
Hey R, remember it is not just hairlines, or concentric lines that show rubbing by a cloth or whatever, it is the luster. Two of the main points Daniel brought out were that each mintage can be very different from another, some frostier than others, some more detailed than others and to look for that frosty white that looks like, well, frost, .
Just because it does not have hairlines, does not mean it has not been cleaned, if you dip a coin enough, it will lose the frost, and be a sure giveaway that it has been cleaned.
If you what the details of different Morgan Mints etc. I have included the below recommendation. Daniel might have one in stock, check with him.
A Guide Book of Morgan Silver Dollars, 5th Edition
Just because it does not have hairlines, does not mean it has not been cleaned, if you dip a coin enough, it will lose the frost, and be a sure giveaway that it has been cleaned.
If you what the details of different Morgan Mints etc. I have included the below recommendation. Daniel might have one in stock, check with him.
A Guide Book of Morgan Silver Dollars, 5th Edition
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Re: is this cleaned?
I DO NOT collect Morgan or Piece dollars,.......
but being so curious about the whacked out fascination with this coin,..........
I did, buy this book, read it cover to cover, and resell it.
but being so curious about the whacked out fascination with this coin,..........
I did, buy this book, read it cover to cover, and resell it.
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Re: is this cleaned?
Cleaned could mean a Myriad of different things, sometimes as even Simple as removing the Toning on your Silver. But to Answer your question that Morgan looks like its been cleaned, Yes.
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Re: is this cleaned?
Unless they are the ones who do it :)
Cleaned = removal/altering of metal. Cleaning can include tiny scratches resulting from wiping/rubbing. Cleaning can include removing/altering the micro surface features on the coin's surface that reflect the light to produce original mint luster.
Conserved - removal of substance without altering the metal in any way. Spilling coffee on a coin not good. Rinsing with water (and drying in a method so the coin surface is not altered/scratched) to remove the coffee does not alter the coin itself - hence the hobby normally defines this as conserving. It is impossible to tell conservation has occurred if the person who conserved the coin does it properly.
Cleaned = removal/altering of metal. Cleaning can include tiny scratches resulting from wiping/rubbing. Cleaning can include removing/altering the micro surface features on the coin's surface that reflect the light to produce original mint luster.
Conserved - removal of substance without altering the metal in any way. Spilling coffee on a coin not good. Rinsing with water (and drying in a method so the coin surface is not altered/scratched) to remove the coffee does not alter the coin itself - hence the hobby normally defines this as conserving. It is impossible to tell conservation has occurred if the person who conserved the coin does it properly.
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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Re: is this cleaned?
Restoration/Conservation...............?
Here is a mid die state, almost no contact specimen I tried!
It was returned uglier than when I sent it.
Here is a mid die state, almost no contact specimen I tried!
It was returned uglier than when I sent it.
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Re: is this cleaned?
Hmmm, interesting, I bought mine used and found one Bojangles chicken sandwich wrapper and a Taco Bell Taco wrapper left inside as book marks. This wasn't your book was it?
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Re: is this cleaned?
Hey P, that is horrible, what service? Man I see this and I cannot imagine how frustrating this must have been. Copper is an interesting element, it really will not be damaged by cold distilled water, however if you sneeze on it, or get your acidic grubby fingers on it, you will show marks. Someone with a cold can have a mucus of 8.3, 8.0 is generally considered the norm for sea water, and of course we all know what seawater does to Copper.
It amazes me what these people get away with sometimes. The surface of that coin is like a mirror, any little thing will show up. It demonstrates to me how much they care, or better said, don't care.
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Re: is this cleaned?
This was coin #3, in a gripe of 4........
What you're seeing is the dirty discolored cleaning solution that they used on the previous 2 coins, that has dripped on the surface of this one,......
You can even see how dirty the solution was by the fingerprint left by the numismatic restoration professional, on the outer rim.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
What you're seeing is the dirty discolored cleaning solution that they used on the previous 2 coins, that has dripped on the surface of this one,......
You can even see how dirty the solution was by the fingerprint left by the numismatic restoration professional, on the outer rim.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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Re: is this cleaned?
I admit I am not surprised. Too much of this can be seen/found on forums where people post similar things.
I was just trying to lay out the definitions generally used in the hobby. I doubt I will ever pay a company to conserve a coin for me. And I do not think they are above cleaning it (removing metal and altering the coin) while calling it the more market friendly term, "conserving."
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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Re: is this cleaned?
Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory dropped his Candlestick. Look for the bloody handkerchief
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