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Rudi Smits
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tiny bronze, late roman era.. but dont know what it is
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I can't find anything on this or the other coins you posted. I am sorry. It seems out World Coin expert is on vacation and hopefully I can get in touch with him soon.
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How embarrassing. You already know jjnumismatics and you're an expert in the field as well. I would like to know the id of the coins you posted and hope you two can get together and post the results. I learn something new just trying to find the answers.
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Re: id helllppp
I haven't dealt with many Byzantine coins, but this "resembles" Nicephorus Basilacius, 1078 AD: Christ on obverse, patriachal cross on reverse. Extremely rare if it is. But, you also state: "tiny". The coin I mention is about 23mm.
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You know a lot more than I would ever pretend to, but I don't think it's Roman.
I would put my money on Ostrogoth or other imitation, ca. 5th or 6th century. They were making so many garbled imitations of the Roman coins at that time...so much variety they've barely being documented if they've been noticed at all.
(A while ago I downloaded a 300-some page .pdf document, packed with images of coins I'd never seen, written by some classicist in the UK, based on study of the Vandal, Ostrogoth, and other late 4th-6th century bronze tribal coinage held in the British Musueum. Sometimes I feel it's just hopeless!)
As Coinasieur said, it could conceivably be Byzantine, but the flan doesn't quite have the right quality. I'm flipping through my Sear Byzantine Coins and Their Values and see some remote possibilties... Either very early (Roman/Byz) or very late? Palaelogian AE Follaros and other little tetarteron denominations often had crosses like that within circles on the obv., and the reverse (opposite the circle) could be Christ or Demetrius, worn down, under the dirt and reoriented. But that flan just doesn't seem like the right shape; if you've handled enough of those, they're not so ... smooth.
This coin is certainly weird -- hard to even know how to orient the obverse (retrograde E/Epsilon would suggest late Roman/early Byzantine or tribal imitation). But I have piles of holy land, byzantine, ottoman, Islamic, crusader and other little bronze coins like this. Crosses appeared on so many varieties of tiny coins everywhere from the holy land kingdoms (city-states, really) to the Germanic tribes.
I would put my money on Ostrogoth or other imitation, ca. 5th or 6th century. They were making so many garbled imitations of the Roman coins at that time...so much variety they've barely being documented if they've been noticed at all.
(A while ago I downloaded a 300-some page .pdf document, packed with images of coins I'd never seen, written by some classicist in the UK, based on study of the Vandal, Ostrogoth, and other late 4th-6th century bronze tribal coinage held in the British Musueum. Sometimes I feel it's just hopeless!)
As Coinasieur said, it could conceivably be Byzantine, but the flan doesn't quite have the right quality. I'm flipping through my Sear Byzantine Coins and Their Values and see some remote possibilties... Either very early (Roman/Byz) or very late? Palaelogian AE Follaros and other little tetarteron denominations often had crosses like that within circles on the obv., and the reverse (opposite the circle) could be Christ or Demetrius, worn down, under the dirt and reoriented. But that flan just doesn't seem like the right shape; if you've handled enough of those, they're not so ... smooth.
This coin is certainly weird -- hard to even know how to orient the obverse (retrograde E/Epsilon would suggest late Roman/early Byzantine or tribal imitation). But I have piles of holy land, byzantine, ottoman, Islamic, crusader and other little bronze coins like this. Crosses appeared on so many varieties of tiny coins everywhere from the holy land kingdoms (city-states, really) to the Germanic tribes.
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Re: id helllppp
One thing I have learned and should have figured out considering my affinity for history and historical movies is that every kingdom or person in power, no matter how small, could and most certainly would have created their own coins.
Then you have the forgers adding their versions or copies to the mix, so I can see how confusing this all can be since we have had so many kingdoms, large and small, throughout history.
Then you have the forgers adding their versions or copies to the mix, so I can see how confusing this all can be since we have had so many kingdoms, large and small, throughout history.