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Chinese silver dollars?

#1 Unread post by thedm005 » Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:32 pm

Found these coins, appear to be chinese silver coins? Can anyone tell if they are real?

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#2 Unread post by Daniel » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:51 am

Seen plenty of these and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but these are all of questionable authenticity. You can see the impurities by the splotchy toning and colors, plus there's evidence of improper alloy mixture which causes "pitting".

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#3 Unread post by thedm005 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:13 am

Ahh ok yeah because they definitely feel like and sound like silver

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#4 Unread post by Daniel » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:10 am

They can have some silver but that's only one piece of the puzzle. Have you weighed the coins or tested them with a magnet. Do you see some of the porous places in the planchet that I refereed to?

Here's a couple references and you can send an email to the site owner for a second opinion. It's best to get more than one opinion on these coins. I've sent several like this to PCGS. The authentic versions have the same luster a a US silver dollar or half dollar.

http://silver-coins.org/chinese_dragon_ ... vince.html
http://silver-coins.org/articles/fake_v ... coins.html

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#5 Unread post by PALH1 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:02 am

:agree: D,

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start with "weight & magnetism" here....

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#6 Unread post by thedm005 » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:17 pm

Coins are not magnetic, what weight should they be?

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#7 Unread post by mhonzell » Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:19 pm

The correct weight of 1914 Yuan Shih Kai silver dollar should be from 26.5g to 26.9g. Diameter should be from 38.50mm to 39mm and thickness: 2.5mm.

These were made with 89% silver content and the remainder was copper.

Modern imitations can be purchased for $2.59 each. While the company selling them clearly states they are imitations, the coins they sell are not marked to indicate that they are fake. These modern fakes have the same dimensions and weight, but contain copper and nickel, which easily produces the unmixed appearance seen in yours, if not made properly.

Cu-N is not magnetic. So, in this case, this may not be a very good test.

Within the tolerances allowed for this coin, Cu-N imitations can weigh the same as the actual coin. So, again, not a very good test.

Silver tends to tarnish towards a black color. Nickel tarnishes towards a yellowish color. Again, not the best test as many colors could develop.

Many imitations are made to look worn and dirty.

Ring test doesn't do well since the silver content is too low.

Look carefully at the reeds on the edge. Are they all evenly spaced and equal in size?

Look at this comparison:
One costs $2.59, the other $749.
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I'd hate to make that mistake. But, when put side by side, it becomes more obvious. Look at the details of the first two characters (letters). The one on the left has fine lines, the one on the right has fat stubby lines making the spacing wrong for some of the characters. The metal on each has a faint tint of color: the left is moving towards black, the right towards yellow.
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Daniel has a very experienced eye and sees a lot of these things, but doesn't always verbalize it. He just knows. But, it is our opinion and you do not have to take it.

So, based on what can be tested, you are pretty much left with the opinion of an expert, unless you have metal identification equipment.

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#8 Unread post by PALH1 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:28 am

without really looking to closely at first, as they are not "U.S. coins", & reading m's post,.... i looked closer...
one "DETAIL" i look for on 'dentil' design coins, is their evenness/spacing/appearance.

posting excellent images helps.... hugeeyes :thumbsup:

just looking quickly (see pic), notice the small rim cud @ K10, & the 'bunched up' dentils, as if the die was repaired...... :dunno
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Re: Chinese silver dollars?

#9 Unread post by mhonzell » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:02 am

Excellent find, Paul. The dentils between these two arrows are not all the same length. Visibly different is a bad sign.

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