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#1 Unread post by Daniel » Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:24 pm

I researched these two coins and I am just not certain of their authenticity. The one (silver) is C #11 SHU (Isshu Gin) 1829-37 from the Bunsei, and it weighs 2.600g so this one might be good.

It's the (gold and silver) one I am most concerned about. It should be the C #21a 2 BU (NIBU) 1828-32 from the Bunsei Era, but it weighs 2.100g and that's less than it should weigh considering it's the same size and supposed to have gold. I am hoping that I am wrong on my identification, but if not then it's a fake.

So if anyone has any information I would appreciate it.
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#2 Unread post by mhonzell » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:45 pm

I've rotated the picture halves to align with the registered version I found.
Daniel's Shu.jpg
Daniel's Ichi Bu
It all comes down to dimensions, weight and the marking in the top right corner of the reverse.
The area circled on the reverse (left image) indicates this is a Bunsei era. If a Ni Bu, it should weigh 6.56g, (3.21g gold) 23mm on longest side.
(There are also gold Nishu and Ichibu, which are smaller. But, I didn't find one quickly with that symbol in the corner.)
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I believe on the obverse mid-section of your coin (right image), there is only one horizontal line. That iindicates "Ichibu" (一分). A "Nibu" (二分) has two lines. See circle on example.


The silver coin appears to be authentic. 2.63g, 10.2mm on side.

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#3 Unread post by mhonzell » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:52 pm

Okay, I found an example of your coin's imaging...

Bunsei era - Ichibu Nan-kin (JNDA 09-38)
1819-1829 AD
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Ichi Bu from Bunsei era
Unfortunately, I'm still coming up with 3.25g.

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#4 Unread post by Daniel » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:40 pm

Thanks. I just ran out of time to research this, then lost interest until now. The "gold" version must be fake.

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#5 Unread post by PALH1 » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:52 pm

Daniel wrote:Thanks. I just ran out of time to research this, then lost interest until now. The "gold" version must be fake.
d,
i searched through my 'dead sea scroll collection'...
it appears it's from the "idonna gottsa klu" period....page 845,954,654,985,128
:l
wish i could help,...but am not even going to pretend i know the first thing here :confused:

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#6 Unread post by mhonzell » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:07 pm

PALH1 wrote:i searched through my 'dead sea scroll collection'...
it appears it's from the "idonna gottsa klu" period....page 845,954,654,985,128
I'm kinda leaning towards page 845,954,654,985,127.
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#7 Unread post by Daniel » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:19 pm

I understand Paul. I have the books but I spent hours on these and some other coins I bought and it gives me a headache. I just don't like world coins unless it's England or Canada or German.

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#8 Unread post by Daniel » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:20 pm

So they're for sell.

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#9 Unread post by PALH1 » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:25 pm

m,
your most likely right!
all of the page bottoms with the numbers have crumbled away over time, so i had to 'hand count' the number of pages.
i must have mis-counted.

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#10 Unread post by mhonzell » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:54 pm

:l
So what's the going rate for a fake Ichi Bu Nan Kin?

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Actually, what are you looking to get for the pair?

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