Should this ASE be a MS70?

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Should this ASE be a MS70?

#1 Unread post by budung » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:43 pm

On November 18, 2917, I purchased two ASE. Since I had a little extra money I decided to get a MS70 First Strike 2016 ASE since it was a 30th anniversary issue. One coin was encapsulated by PCGS and the other by NGC. I was a proud owner of two coins when they arrived, just had a look see on them and then kept them. During the last long weekend of Thanks Giving break I decided to pull them out and really have a good look at them. The NGC coin looked normal ( I still have to thoroughly check it) but for the PCGS I noticed some toning issue. I decided to have a closer look using my mhonzell scope and here are the results aside from the tonning.
Obverse
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Reverse
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Approximately at 8:00 o'clock of the obv a long gaping cut.
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Reverse chipped rim just above the lette S of State
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Letters of the motto ed plu...
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Three hairlines above Ounce
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Die chips?? Above letter E of one
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Machine doubling of the whole dateand IGWT
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I joined the Collectors Universe forum owned by PCGS and posted the above photos too. I got a some responses from some members but not a single comment came from PCGS. After reading so much cases like this I decided to keep the coin. I believe it will only be an exercise in futility to bring the matter up to PCGS.
But I think that all is not lost. I just recently saw this add at ebay:
"2012 S slab /W Mint NGC PF69 Proof NGC Mint Label ERROR Silver Eagle Dollar RARE | eBay
Up for sale is a 2012-S Eagle silver dollar that is NGC certified gem Proof 69 Ultra Cameo. This high grade coin has frosty U-Cam and deep shining mirror fields on both sides. Please enlarge photos to get a better look at the coin you will receive. You can't go wrong investing in high grade 1oz fine silver Eagle dollars. Don't miss out. Add this one to your own collection, before someone else beats you to it. | eBay!"

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Re: Should this ASE be a MS70?

#2 Unread post by budung » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:46 pm

Correction please. the hairlines are above the word Dollar.

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Re: Should this ASE be a MS70?

#3 Unread post by PALH1 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:49 pm

....... interesting ...... :dunno

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Re: Should this ASE be a MS70?

#4 Unread post by Daniel » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:39 am

Your PCGS coin should not be graded MS70.

Also, don't believe ebay descriptions either. Just because someone is selling a coin doesn't mean they know what they're doing, most do not know much about coins. What you have is strike doubling and it's not special in any way nor does it add value.

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Re: Should this ASE be a MS70?

#5 Unread post by budung » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:20 am

Yes, but I don't buy from ebay. The coin at ebay is selling at $104.99. At least I know there are buyers who buy this sort of coin if ever I decide to sell the coin (which I doubt).
Going back to my coin, in your opinion what should be the grade for this coin? Also, the fast toning that has occurred in just over 2 years!? Slabs are supposed to preserve them much longer. But I have learned that toning is not covered by a warranty from TPGs and once toning sets in on your MS70 it drastically lower the grades. Well, having said that means no more MS70s for me.
I will be going over my NGC MS70 and find what gives.

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