1861 IHC : Grade me... please

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1861 IHC : Grade me... please

#1 Unread post by mhonzell » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:42 pm

I know it is tough to grade by photo, but what do you think on this one.
(Trying to learn some lessons here on grading MS coins.)

I see tiny slide scratches on cheek and something going on towards the upper field and left/right of date on the obverse.
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Re: 1861 IHC : Grade me... please

#2 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:53 pm

Nice images again Mark.
I think the areas each side of the date are mostly discoloration and I see the areas on the cheek.
This should easily be MS 64 maybe higher.
Your images seem to show some yellow spots (Mint rinse?) around AMER and the headdress and I'm not sure how they affect the grade.

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#3 Unread post by mhonzell » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:27 pm

Good feedback on the yellow spots! Thanks.

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Re: 1861 IHC : Grade me... please

#4 Unread post by PALH1 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:00 am

AWESOME PIX M ... :trophy:


:thumbsup: coin !!,..... you know i DO NOT "photograde" ... :mad:

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Re: 1861 IHC : Grade me... please

#5 Unread post by mhonzell » Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:12 pm

Ah, but you are good at identifying state.

I noticed the obverse rim is "folded" on itself in top left quadrant as well.

So, what else is keeping this so far from 70?

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Re: 1861 IHC : Grade me... please

#6 Unread post by dipper13 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:16 pm

Looks like a 64/65. I think it is clean enough for a five in the fields, strike is good, color hard to judge from pix. Is that a fold over or an illusion caused by the holder?

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Re: 1861 IHC : Grade me... please

#7 Unread post by mhonzell » Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:42 pm

So, I changed the angle of lighting and look what pops up on the reverse. (Cliff nailed the yellow spotting.)
You can also see the "woodie" is more prominent at this angle.
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Re: 1861 IHC : Grade me... please

#8 Unread post by PALH1 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:11 pm

State ?

:eureka:
on the obverse, i hugeeyes at the 'top 3 feather tips', 'center ribbon' definition, & the 'hair curl' definition,.....

on the reverse, i hugeeyes for 'inner wreath acorn' definition, 'internal shield line' definition, & 'ribbon height',.....

but that's just me...................

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Re: 1861 IHC : Grade me... please

#9 Unread post by mhonzell » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:29 pm

State...
EDS, LDS
Flow lines, crispness of edges...

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Re: 1861 IHC : Grade me... please

#10 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:16 pm

I don't see much in the way of die flow lines. Some around the point of the bust and UNIT on the obv. A few to the upper right of the shield. Most of the devices look pretty sharp.
Maybe an EMDS.

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