A friend just brought some pennys 1859 and 1909 VDB and 1 s VDB she was wondering about

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A friend just brought some pennys 1859 and 1909 VDB and 1 s VDB she was wondering about

#1 Unread post by loserboy »

    First is this 1859 penny here are pics
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    e pics next is these two 1909 VDB pennys here ar
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    And here she has a 1909 s VDB penny
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    1909svdbreverse.jpg

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    Re: A friend just brought some pennys 1859 and 1909 VDB and 1 s VDB she was wondering about

    #2 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

    Welcome and thanks for posting images of the obverse and reverse of the coins. All three appear to be circulated with some damage or discoloration on them.
    Congratulations on the last one though because it would be the most valuable if authentic. I would say it is an extra fine- details (details meaning some serious dings, dents or damage which detracts from the value somewhat.) This is one you would want to send to an grading service to get the most value for it (they can determine if it is real).
    How did your friend come to own it?

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    Re: A friend just brought some pennys 1859 and 1909 VDB and 1 s VDB she was wondering about

    #3 Unread post by loserboy »

    I am sure she has had them for a long time. She seen me posting questions and decided to check on some of her coins. Oh and the answer to your question i do not know. Thank you for your time
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    Re: A friend just brought some pennys 1859 and 1909 VDB and 1 s VDB she was wondering about

    #4 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

    Does she collect them or were they given to her?
    This site has a page for coin values that you might find useful. In the upper right hand corner of this page. Her other coins have some value also to the right collector (maybe $5-$10), but the 1909s VDB is a sought after coin by any collector.

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    i will definately ask her and find out now thanks

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    #6 Unread post by loserboy »

    Ok well she said she found a plastic grocery bag of what she thought looked like trash out in the desert in Adelanto Ca . In the bag are a lot of coins as well mostly wheat pennys as well as others . I would of never guessed myself but i do know she has a habit of going through fresh illegally dumped trash out in the desert. Wow Im pretty sure she will be trying to get it certified. My question is does it look counterfeit by chance? Im sure she will find out real soon

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    #7 Unread post by PetesPockets55 »

    There are many things the certification company will look at to determine whether it is authentic or not. People are trying to fool them all the time and with their reputation at stake they are real thorough. Good luck and thanks for sharing.

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    Re: A friend just brought some pennys 1859 and 1909 VDB and 1 s VDB she was wondering about

    #8 Unread post by Daniel »

    The 1859 Indian Cent is worth $10, the 1909 VDB is worth around $5 in this grade (has a couple suspect marks on the reverse), the 1909-S VDB starts at $500 and goes up with a grade increase or the less wear it has.

    Could you post more images of the date and mint mark on the 1909-S VDB? The S should have a little "dot" mark in the upper loop.

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    #9 Unread post by loserboy »

    i would but they left with her. I am still in shock she found those

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    Interesting about the dot Daniel. To enlarge an image I hit the CTRL key and the + at the same time. When I do this 5-6 times with the image of the 1909sVDB it looks like a small dot in the upper loop of the MM. It could just be my tired peepers tho. lol:

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    #11 Unread post by loserboy »

    I do appreciate how fast you responded ill be posting what coins i come across however they most likely wont be good like the ones she has thank you

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    You're welcome and we're glad to help

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    Re: A friend just brought some pennys 1859 and 1909 VDB and 1 s VDB she was wondering about

    #13 Unread post by mhonzell »

    The 'S' has a slight tilt and is in the position that PCGS recognizes as Die #3.

    Hard to tell, but I think there's a dot there in the upper loop of the 'S'. See top photo for comparison.

    The lower serif on the 'S' looks tilted right, which would be incorrect. The two outer edges should be parallel to each other, or the lower slightly pointed outwards. But, it's not the best photo and the other indicators are good. Plus, there are a lot of contact marks in this area.

    The middle crossbar on the 'B' in V.D.B is tilted correctly.

    I'd call it a win and send it in!
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    Re: A friend just brought some pennys 1859 and 1909 VDB and 1 s VDB she was wondering about

    #14 Unread post by Garrynaples »

    https://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfeit-V ... coln-Cents

    Here are descriptions and photos of genuine mint marks and the genuine VDB. The OPs coin looks like the third mint mark position and correct mint mark usage.

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