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i found good/better images of the 1857 "pattern" coinage.....but, did they strike any "foreign coinage" in 1857 at the phil mint?? :dunno whistling2:
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Act of January 29, 1874 which read:
“Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That it shall be lawful for coinage to be executed at the mints of the United States, for any foreign countries applying for the same, according to the legally prescribed standards and devices of such country, under such regulations as the Secretary of the Treasury may prescribe; and the charge for the same shall be equal to the expense thereof, including labor, materials, and use of machinery, to be fixed by the Director of the Mint, with the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury: Provided, That the manufacture of such coin shall not interfere with the required coinage of the United States.”

The first foreign coinage manufactured by a US Mint was for Venezula in 1875. (The 1 and 2.5 Centavo.)

Prior to this, a coin was made in 1833 for Liberia, but it is now considered a Hard Times Token.

There is "rumor" that some other coins were made between 1833 and 1855, but nothing from 1855 to 1875.
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m,
were the [b"]U.K.'s"[/b] hit here?
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d,
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i find ALL U.K. COINS made in LONDON
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1857 : London Mint of UK coins


Copper
These look alike, but different diameters.
  • Farthing : 1.07M coins, 22mm
  • Half Penny : 1.18M coins, 28mm
  • Penny : 0.75M coins, 34mm
1857 Farthing, Half Penny, or Penny.jpg
Silver
  • Groat : only made as a proof
  • Three pence : 1.77M coins, 16.25mm
    1857 Three Pence.jpg
  • Sixpence : 2.23M coins, 19mm
    1857 Sixpence.jpg
  • Shilling : 2.56M coins, 24mm
    1857 Shilling.jpg
  • Florin : 1.67M coins, 30mm
    1857 Florin.jpg
Gold
  • Half Sovereign : 0.73M coins, 19mm
    1857 Half Sovereign.jpg
  • Sovereign : 4.95M coins, 22mm
    1857 Sovereign.jpg
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i'm looking / working on a 1857 SLQ multi-denom obv clash puzzle

d, "smiles" do not attach when clicked......fyi
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[quote="mhonzell"]1857 : London Mint of UK coins


Copper
These look alike, but different diameters.
  • Farthing : 1.07M coins, 22mm
  • Half Penny : 1.18M coins, 28mm
  • Penny : 0.75M coins, 34mm
1857 Farthing, Half Penny, or Penny.jpg
Silver
  • Groat : only made as a proof
  • Three pence : 1.77M coins, 16.25mm
    1857 Three Pence.jpg
  • Sixpence : 2.23M coins, 19mm
    1857 Sixpence.jpg
  • Shilling : 2.56M coins, 24mm
    1857 Shilling.jpg
  • Florin : 1.67M coins, 30mm
    1857 Florin.jpg
Gold
  • Half Sovereign : 0.73M coins, 19mm
    1857 Half Sovereign.jpg
  • Sovereign : 4.95M coins, 22mm
    1857 Sovereign.jpg
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i BOW DOWN to your "image finding" (& taking) abilities m
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The Denver and San Francisco mints made silver coins for Australia in the 1940s. It seems a rather odd thing to read since the US mint has made lots of coins for other countries. I'm guessing there is an additional context we're missing, some other intent of the law we're not seeing in this snippet.
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Not sure what you are stating Scubaredneck. There were many foreign coins made by the various mints starting from 1874 to present. (Including the 1940s.) The coins in question were prior to 1874 (the year the law was written.)
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STILL work'n on this one !!
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PALH1 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:23 pm i'm looking / working on a 1857 SLQ multi-denom obv clash puzzle ......fyi
So you are still working on the1857 Seated Liberty Quarter multi denomination Puzzler? Sounds intriguing.
So if you are still working on it, can we assume you have made some forward progress.

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right in the middle of working on this project,....i started having a 'scope & image manipulation (software) problem' .......

so, now i'm trying again.
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PALH1 wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:31 am right in the middle of working on this project,....i started having a 'scope & image manipulation (software) problem' .......

so, now i'm trying again.
Did you recently update your PC? That is when my scoping abilities bit the dust. Old scope wasn't compatible with Windows10.

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i had a bit of a security issue,....
but fixed now
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i think i got it !! :trophy:

holy moley mr. man whistling2:

it's a new unlisted "multi-denom clash",...... we shall hugeeyes
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WTG Paul.
It will be real interesting to find out what you have in hand!!!
Sounds like it should grab the attention of some folks that really like wrestling with numismatic puzzlers.

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i'm hoping it makes 'pickers...... :w
it should !
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PALH1 wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:41 am i'm hoping it makes 'pickers...... :w
it should !
Most Excellent!!!
You going to corner the market and scarf up all the varieties you can before it goes public? :thumbsup:

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so,
i just got off the phone with "THE GUY" that confirms attributions & assigns numerical designations,......

IT hugeeyes's VERY GOOD HERE !!

now i need it "slabbed" as a 'discovery specimen'

WEEEEEEEE !!
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Congratulations!!!
That was a long process and a lot of reading to catch back up.
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Congrats!!!!!!!

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Do we have an image?

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D,
i'm gonna wait for the "slab return" before i post that,......
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mhonzell wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:37 pm Congratulations!!!
That was a long process and a lot of reading to catch back up.
Exactly.
Waiting for your slab it is then. whistling2:
"Pre-congratulations" Paul on the new slabbed major error discovery. :thumbsup:

How much of this discovery was possible because of your penchant for early die state coins? You know, before some of the finer details are obliterated by die wear

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this one is an "EYE-POPPER", i would say ... hugeeyes
i'm not sure 'how far into the run' these were hit, but like most heavy clashes,
they have an "easy to see pup" !
i guess i was just the first guy to spend time on it,.....to figure out "WHAT" it really was !!
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PALH1 wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:46 pm this one is an "EYE-POPPER", i would say ... hugeeyes
i'm not sure 'how far into the run' these were hit, but like most heavy clashes,
they have an "easy to see pup" !
i guess i was just the first guy to spend time on it,.....to figure out "WHAT" it really was !!
Well, thank you for putting the time into it and sharing. Really looking forward to this one when you get it back.
Any chance you could post an image of just the "PUP" before you get it back?

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OK there mr. antzy-pants, i would really want to hugeeyes it also if i were you,....
but the "pup" is so 'defined', it's really the whole thing here.

PS. i do have a 'graded AU58' in addition to the "discovery coin" .....
i wanted to have a 'graded' one as 'proof' the coin was not altered .....
......& i have not found, after looking at 1000's of, ms graded coins of this var !
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lol:
PALH1 wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:10 am OK there mr. antzy-pants, i would really want to hugeeyes it also if i were you,....
but the "pup" is so 'defined', it's really the whole thing here.

PS. i do have a 'graded AU58' in addition to the "discovery coin" .....
i wanted to have a 'graded' one as 'proof' the coin was not altered .....
......& i have not found, after looking at 1000's of, ms graded coins of this var !
lol: I probably won't stop laughing till Tuesday.
OK. We'll just wait patiently then ......... or not! :l

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knowing how "things go", i'm guessing after 'Christmas' .... (am i allowed to use that word,.....or should i say, after the "Holidays" ... ?)
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Christmas is fine ................ but "Holidays" is more vague and buys you more time! lol:

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I THINK I "BUMBLED" THIS ONE !!

i did a real good hugeeyes under my 'Super-Scope',... & i think it's a:
"OFF CENTER SELF-CLASH" .... bummer ! :s

the coin i was using for the "DISCOVERY" was kind of crummy one to me....
so, i gotta let rick know monday
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PALH1 wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:49 pm I THINK I "BUMBLED" THIS ONE !!

i did a real good hugeeyes under my 'Super-Scope',... & i think it's a:
"OFF CENTER SELF-CLASH" .... bummer ! :s

the coin i was using for the "DISCOVERY" was kind of crummy one to me....
so, i gotta let rick know monday
A bummer for sure.

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mhonzell wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:03 am Not sure what you are stating Scubaredneck. There were many foreign coins made by the various mints starting from 1874 to present. (Including the 1940s.) The coins in question were prior to 1874 (the year the law was written.)
I didn't know making foreign coins was such a wide practice. Why do you think that was Mhonzell? Purely economic or was there more behind that?
I definitely prefer Performer 8 over anything else.

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It has an economic basis for the requesting country in that they get high quality coinage or bills without the cost of infrastructure. Many countries do this.

For instance, I routinely purchase coinage from Belarus, but their coinage is produced in either Poland or Kazakhstan.
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