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Re: Civil War Tokens

#171 Unread post by mhonzell » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:02 pm

This token emphasizes a couple of misunderstandings about Civil War Tokens:
1. The token was originally identified as having been made in 1860. A search of businesses that existed in Chicago between 1858 and 1866 did not find this one. As such, in 1982 it was no longer grouped with Civil War Tokens, yet it does have a typical Fuld number assigned to it: IL-150AC-1a. It was actually made somewhere between 1872 and 1876. (There are many from Chicago that were originally identified as CWTs, but have since been removed.)
2. Unfortunately, the TPGs are much slower about getting rid of a designation since they've already issued holders with them identified by the original reference. (This one is a raw coin, so it will get filed properly. :-)) This can really throw a kink into the works when someone is trying to research a token.
3. It shows that these tokens continued to be used well after the Civil War.

Interestingly, Harlev didn't come to America until 1857 and lived in Mankato, Minnesota until 1871.
Born as Nicolai Severin Vilhelm Jensen Harlev, he went into business with his brother Christian Johnson from 1872 until 1876. In 1876, he became the sole proprietor of the business and made a new token: IL-150AB-1a, which only has his name. In 1878, he moved to 220 Milwaukee Ave, where his name is recorded as "Harler".

They manufactured their own goods: Hats, caps, clothing, trunks and furnishing goods. They were quite busy... For example: they made four thousand boxes of paper collars each week.
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Re: Civil War Tokens

#172 Unread post by Daniel » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:56 am

Interesting. I never looked this up.

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#173 Unread post by mhonzell » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:18 pm

Not a rare token at R-2, this PA750E-1a is a little unusual in that the Liberty bust is actually in a cameo state. That's almost unheard of with tokens.
To me, this has a couple of other interesting things:

1. Look at the 'R' in BEIRN.
2. Look at the 'H's in PHILADELPHIA.
3. On the reverse, the engraver actually put his initials under the bust... R. L. (Robert Lovett Jr.) He was known for his presidential campaign buttons of 1864. His workmanship was high quality. Planchets were thick, strikes bold with fine details. However, he was best known for his Confederate Cents, which are currently sold as Bashlow Restrikes.
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#174 Unread post by Daniel » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:38 am

The finish, strike and state of preservation places this in a better than R-2 category and is a nice all around token.

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#175 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:16 pm

mhonzell wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:02 pm
.........They manufactured their own goods: Hats, caps, clothing, trunks and furnishing goods. They were quite busy... For example: they made four thousand boxes of paper collars each week.
Can't imagine wearing those collars.
But maybe it helped reduce neck disc injuries by stretching out the neck!! lol:

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#176 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:25 pm

mhonzell wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:18 pm
Not a rare token at R-2, this PA750E-1a is a little unusual in that the Liberty bust is actually in a cameo state. That's almost unheard of with tokens.
To me, this has a couple of other interesting things:

1. Look at the 'R' in BEIRN.
2. Look at the 'H's in PHILADELPHIA.
3. On the reverse, the engraver actually put his initials under the bust... R. L. (Robert Lovett Jr.) He was known for his presidential campaign buttons of 1864. His workmanship was high quality. Planchets were thick, strikes bold with fine details. However, he was best known for his Confederate Cents, which are currently sold as Bashlow Restrikes.
Thanks Mark. Lots of interesting info here. Do you have any others with the cameo strike?
The R looks like a capital R over small r.
Can't really tell what is under the H's. Do you think the square in the center of the H was to strengthen the punch somehow or was the H applied over some other character? :confused:

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#177 Unread post by mhonzell » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:08 pm

This is actually the first token I have found that I could call cameo. Of course, the reverse is not, so, a TPG would not grade it as such.
The H's seem to have been intentionally made that way. The 'R' appears to be the vestiges of an 'R' that was turned 90 degrees clockwise.
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#178 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:29 am

Neat that you found an R over a horizontal R.
Wonder if there may have been rust on the master bust die from sitting around creating a cameo effect?
Also would they create different dies from separate components?
What I mean is, would there be a die for the bust, a separate die for the words or letters, and a separate die for any "image", etc? They could construct customized dies for clients that way.
Sort of a die buffet! lol:

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#179 Unread post by mhonzell » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:20 am

(Today, I'm trying a new technique in my photo.)
This is the only token I have where the dies were actually made by the US Mint and has a reeded edge..

While the advertisement says the Great Central Fair, it was actually the Great Central Sanitary Fair. That should make one wonder!
Many of these tokens will have the word "Union" on them. Sometimes alone, others in a phrase such as, "Preserve the Union". All this time, I was under the impression it was in relation to the northern forces. In most cases, it has double meaning: the Union forces and the Republican party (Abraham Lincoln's policies, and their ideology.)
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There were two main groups: Daughters of the Union Veterans and Sons of the Union Veterans. Both represented a group who believed in Fraternity, Charity, and Loyalty. Many of these members eventually became the GAR, or Grand Army of the Republic. Known today as the GOP or Republican Party.

In June 1864, with the war still raging on, Philadelphia, PA put on the greatest fair ever seen. Covering the entirety of Logan Square (now, Logan Circle... go figure) and raising over a million dollars for food, medical supplies, military hospital ships, and rest homes for veterans, this fair was promoted by the Union League of Philadelphia (made up of both Sons and Daughters of the Union Veterans.)

This fair had been conducted one year earlier in Milwaukee with little success. But, it was catching on! Amazingly, Abraham Lincoln was not much for presenting recreation to raise funds leaving him somewhat against the Sanitary Commission. By war's end, the Sanitary Commission raised over fifteen million to take care of the troops.

And the token... well, it was distributed by the Union League at the fair as a souvenir. It is slightly smaller than a dime and recognized as PA750L-1a.
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Re: Civil War Tokens

#180 Unread post by PetesPockets55 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:56 pm

Nicely done again.
Your images show the detail of Washington's hair very well.

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