Does anyone know this defect?
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chuckmarks50
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Post subject: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:09 pm |
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 Good day all; I am looking at pennies now. I just ran across this 2009 lincoln with a strange rased area between the thumb and index finger on the left hand. Does any one know the defect? Thank You; Chuck Marks 

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Daniel
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:37 am |
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There's a reported Double Die of this area, and I wonder if this is a doubled thumb? I would like to see a clearer picture. It could be a new mint error variety.
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regandon
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:27 pm |
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There are quite a few thumb varieties known. I do not know if the top TPGS are grading these as an error though.
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:56 pm |
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If it's a known mint error or recognized variety they will authenticate them. I think most are DDO and they will attribute them as such.
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chuckmarks50
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:42 pm |
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Here are a few more photos. It is the best I can do with what I have. The defect is a raised area between the thumb and index finger. It is just in the center between the two, not touching the thumb or index finger. There is a small space between defect and thumb. It moves out and up to the book spine

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Daniel
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:22 pm |
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It's difficult to tell what it is. I wonder if it's not a die clash? How does the rest of the coin look? Is their any faint features on the reverse?
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chuckmarks50
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:40 pm |
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Thank you for taking your time to help me with this problem. The coin looks clean and clear , @ 10x power I can see what looks like a die crack at the top of Lincoln's head. I am going to try to take a photo of it and post it. I found in it a 50 roll box I got from the bank so it has been around the block a few times and has a few dings.

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Daniel
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:03 pm |
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I see the die crack, and I wonder if the area by the thumb is another die crack, but in an earlier stage?
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chuckmarks50
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:03 pm |
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Thanks for the help .I may send it to PCGS with my next order.
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Daniel
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:19 pm |
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You might consider sending it to Ken Potter. I think he charges $5 for attribution of a new variety and it might be worth it. Whatever he says it is, and if it's significant, it will be posted on CONECA's website, and that would be a plus for the value of your coin. I see a lot of boot strap errors and one is listed on CONECA. It's a die crack on the boot, and you might have another error that might get a unique nickname.
Your welcome.
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chuckmarks50
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:47 pm |
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How do I find Ken Potter? Do you have an Address?
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Daniel
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:20 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:24 am |
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Hi, Your coin appears to be one the 'extra fingers' varieties that have been popping up lately. The extra finger is caused by a DDR (doubled die reverse) and many different varieties have been noted. As for the line above Lincoln's head, I would say it's probably a die clash. Ken Potter would know for sure. Here's a link to an article about coins like yours: http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Art ... cleId=7305
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chuckmarks50
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:18 pm |
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Thank you all for taking your time to help. I will send it to Ken Potter next week.
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chuckmarks50
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:39 am |
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Good news I got an E-mail from Ken Potter. The coin is a new variety. Mr. Potter is going to add it to his listings and return it next week. Thanks for the help and the address for Mr. Potter. This is a first for me as I just started looking at and for error coins. 
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regandon
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:32 am |
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Ever since this topic came up, I've been looking. And I'm a World Coin collector (16th to 19th century European coins), looks like I may be going through quite a few roll's of USA cents, looking for these errors.
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Daniel
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:07 am |
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chuckmarks50 wrote: Good news I got an E-mail from Ken Potter. The coin is a new variety. Mr. Potter is going to add it to his listings and return it next week. Thanks for the help and the address for Mr. Potter. This is a first for me as I just started looking at and for error coins.  That's great news! Please let us know any new details.
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chuckmarks50
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:41 pm |
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Good day to all; Just an update on my first new find in the world of coin collecting. Ken Potter has listed this penny as VCR#8/DDR#8. Thanks for your help, knowlage and pointing me in the right direction to make this happen. Chuck Marks
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Daniel
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:18 pm |
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Congratulations! I will update this on the blog. It's a great discovery and couldn't have happened to a better person. Is there a link to this?
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chuckmarks50
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:35 pm |
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If there is I don't yet know how to get it. I do not know how to do links. I will send a copy of the E-mail I have to your E-mail. Look for it with in the hour.
Chuck
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Daniel
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:02 pm |
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I got the email. A new double die! I'm very happy for you. Will you send it to PCGS? It's going to be worth something, especially if a few more are found. I'm going to see what I can do to get some press. It will help the value.
For those who would like to know, Chuck found a new DDO variety, attributed by Ken Potter as VCR#8/DDR#8. This is a great find. So, keep searching those rolls!
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chuckmarks50
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:49 pm |
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 As my first find ever I will send it to PCGS. Thank you for your help, you made this come about. I saw a penny that did not look right. You saw the new variety. Thanks Once More.
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:02 am |
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newby
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:56 am |
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hey everyone. so i am new and i was reading the forums about the lincon pennies and i have one!!! and I was also wondering if anyone has noticed a web or an indent with the adult lincon penny on the "N" in ONE? because I have both. thank you....
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Daniel
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:49 am |
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Welcome to the forum!
Without a picture we can't say much, but it sounds like a contact mark, from another coin, as they where all dumped into the bags at the mint.
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RHM22
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Post subject: Re: Does anyone know this defect? Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:35 am |
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Yes, it could be some form of damage that occurred after it left the mint, or it could also be a genuine mint error. Pictures are always very important to determine whether or not any error coin is authentic.
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